Spin Time

[CXRAndy]

They are making a start already
Dame Andre Jenkyn’s (not sure about the spelling) will sack all the DEI staff immediately

which as 2 problems
a) they have a contract - so will need to be made redundant - which costs money

b) there aren't any - which does at least reduce the redundancy payments costs

doesn;t show much in the way of research done for the role

Well here is their website, so they do have DIE staff.https://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/jobs-careers/equality-diversity-inclusion

There was a job posted I think for west Yorkshire police, starting salary was like £50k

Certainly savings to be made

 

[briantrumpet]

Perhaps she just needs to join Reform then.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...lum-after-losses-to-reform-in-local-elections

 

[briantrumpet]

Re 'Blue Labour' - it is just Reform, isn't it?

 

[Stevo 666]

I was thinking of you when I wrote ‘Some may not like this’, but on the other hand I know that she gets you riled 😁

Not riled, its quite funny watching her putting her foot in her gob with stuff like the Toreh Scum episode, Growlergate etc. I want her to to get more airtime, both for entertainment value and also because of the damage she can do to Labour's already piss poor credibility 🙂

 

[Ian H]

Re 'Blue Labour' - it is just Reform, isn't it?

It's another attempt at crude populism, certainly.

 

[Stevo 666]

Re 'Blue Labour' - it is just Reform, isn't it?

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Blue Labour seems to be what might be called traditional Labour voters. The sort that leftie progressives look down their noses at.

 

[Stevo 666]

View: https://x.com/addicted2newz/status/1918586005533192701?t=ZyJRH0Bk-p8riL07VuvElA&s=19

As I've said elsewhere, Labour's big mistake will be to try and double down on what they are doing, rather than change course. Whereas what the electorate appear to be telling them is thay don't want them to do these things. So roll on the next round of elections...

 

[Ian H]

John McDonnell's assessment is intelligent, as you'd expect.
...After 14 years of enduring year after year of austerity under the Conservatives, there was such a collective sigh of relief in getting rid of the incompetent, corrupt and brutal Tories. There might not have been much in the way of inspiring politics from Keir Starmer in the run-up to the election last July, but at least we had a Labour government.
The problem now is that, at times, the government is unrecognisable as a Labour government. This isn’t the traditional argument about whether the Starmer administration is behaving like old Labour or New Labour. It’s whether it’s Labour at all in the eyes of people who have supported us or would want to support us...
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ur-reform-voters-keir-starmer-local-elections

 

[briantrumpet]

John McDonnell's assessment is intelligent, as you'd expect.
...After 14 years of enduring year after year of austerity under the Conservatives, there was such a collective sigh of relief in getting rid of the incompetent, corrupt and brutal Tories. There might not have been much in the way of inspiring politics from Keir Starmer in the run-up to the election last July, but at least we had a Labour government.
The problem now is that, at times, the government is unrecognisable as a Labour government. This isn’t the traditional argument about whether the Starmer administration is behaving like old Labour or New Labour. It’s whether it’s Labour at all in the eyes of people who have supported us or would want to support us...
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ur-reform-voters-keir-starmer-local-elections

Hard to argue with that, especially when Wes Streeting is saying they've got to speed up deportations, in an interview this morning. That'll drive voters either to Reform (who will claim they'll be the only ones to do it properly) or the the Lib Dems, who will fill the void on the left vacated by Labour.

 

[monkers]

Re 'Blue Labour' - it is just Reform, isn't it?

The data doesn't support that theory.

The Tory Party has been sliding right because their support base is sliding right. The Tories have upset their membership base on a number of issues - COVID, lockdowns, getting publicly caught over VIP lanes, care home deaths, disgraced MPs, Downing Street parties, Dominic Cummings taking the p1ss, Truss damaging the investments and pensions.

The number of Tory losses almost exactly matches Reform gains. Tory voters are telling their leadership, they are dissatisfied. Even if Badenoch takes the party even further to the right, it's probably too late. Doing dodgy stuff does not disgruntle the average Tory voter, but getting caught multiple times doing it is a very big no no.

 

[briantrumpet]

The data doesn't support that theory.

The Tory Party has been sliding right because their support base is sliding right. The Tories have upset their membership base on a number of issues - COVID, lockdowns, getting publicly caught over VIP lanes, care home deaths, disgraced MPs, Downing Street parties, Dominic Cummings taking the p1ss, Truss damaging the investments and pensions.

The number of Tory losses almost exactly matches Reform gains. Tory voters are telling their leadership, they are dissatisfied. Even if Badenoch takes the party even further to the right, it's probably too late. Doing dodgy stuff does not disgruntle the average Tory voter, but getting caught multiple times doing it is a very big no no.

I don't disagree with the 2nd & 3rd paragraphs, but if 'Blue Labour' are just going to go down the route of chasing Reform policies, then we'll end up with three parties swerving off to the Reform territory, which mainly benefit Reform, as we've just witnessed.