Starmer's vision quest

[PurplePenguin]

Depending on the definition of 'child' here (i.e., age), my unsubstantiated hunch is that modern parents don't give their children as much time to be feral as was common 50 years ago. Certainly I spent a lot of time just with friends anywhere and everywhere, and going on day-long rides from when I was about 12, or going to three-day cricket matches in Bristol. 2p coin in pocket, in case we had to call home.

It seems to have been under 13s.

Your example does me laugh a bit, because it highlights two current opinions:
- Parenting was so much better in the days of old. We let kids be kids. They went out and played and explored the world developing all sorts of skills.
- Parenting was so much better in the days of old. We actually supervised the kids, took responsibility and ensured they learnt the real world skills that they need.

 

[Psamathe]

If Phillips is right then the solution she very clearly described to Adam Boulton on Times Radio last Sunday can be in place in weeks.

Weeks. Software like that doesn't work like that. What she has probably been describing is a very customised locked down 3rd party phone. Getting that 3rd party system integrated into Apple and Google Operating systems is not a matter of "weeks".

Government have not yet defined what they require. Saying "Oh but I saw it working" does not give software engineers enough to work on.
Apple, Google, Samsung, Sony, Motorola, etc. have to sort out ownership, licensing/payment (3rd party software has to be paid for by somebody), interfaces, liability, vulnerabilities, alpha testing, beta developer testing (couple of months), public betas (couple of months), RC release.

eg Apple have just (last few days) done the 1st developer beta release for the iPhone/iPad release due some time in this Autumn. With such a massive user base and low level OS issues can easily "brick" devices testing is not a trivial issue. Consider the impact on eg Apple were they to make a release that included a vulnerability even just "bricked" every iPhone in the UK under some conditions the proposed few days testing didn't catch - the company would never recover.

Companies would also probably now be needing to create UK only special versions of every Operating Systsem release for the UK market as having code taking processor power, battery scanning every screen display 24/7 would be a significant vulnerability/privacy risk and impact sales in every other country in the world.

Issues need to be resolved like most beta testers will be over 18 years old so won't be testing this functionality. Other apps directly access camera hardware which would bypass the "Oh I saw it working" version Ms Phillips saw.

etc., etc.

 

[BoldonLad]

According to the research paper.



It was 50 years ago (10 years ago) not the 50s.

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50 years ago was roughly my “parenting era”.

My reference to “with” was in present day terms. Many (yes, I agree, not all) children have their own “mini home” now ( ie own bedroom, TV, computer, game console etc), they MAY be in the same building (ie house) as their parent(s), but, they are not “with” them IMHO

I may be a dinosaur, but, I am not a rose tinted spectacles wearer. 🙂 the “olden days” were different, but, not universally “better” IMHO.

 

[briantrumpet]

It seems to have been under 13s.

Your example does me laugh a bit, because it highlights two current opinions:
- Parenting was so much better in the days of old. We let kids be kids. They went out and played and explored the world developing all sorts of skills.
- Parenting was so much better in the days of old. We actually supervised the kids, took responsibility and ensured they learnt the real world skills that they need.

Ok. Yeah, not putting values on it. We certainly had a lot of non-parent-supervised time from about age 7 to 13 when we weren't in school.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I never got a vote for Starmer as PM

Diddums.

The electorate have never voted for a PM in this country, despite the constant whines when an unpopular or apparently failing PM turns up.

Sometimes people vote in a GE for a party because of a leader, sometimes  despite a leader, and sometimes vote for a party and don't give a stuff about who's leader...but they  never vote for a leader.

The Americans vote for a leader and look where that has got them.

 

[Psamathe]

Diddums.

The electorate have never voted for a PM in this country, despite the constant whines when an unpopular or apparently failing PM turns up.

Sometimes people vote in a GE for a party because of a leader, sometimes  despite a leader, and sometimes vote for a party and don't give a stuff about who's leader...but they  never vote for a leader.

The Americans vote for a leader and look where that has got them.

Just because it's what the UK does doesn't mean it's right or democratic.

I try to discuss the issues not throw in demeaning jibes eg "Diddums".