Starmer's vision quest

[PurplePenguin]

Depending on the definition of 'child' here (i.e., age), my unsubstantiated hunch is that modern parents don't give their children as much time to be feral as was common 50 years ago. Certainly I spent a lot of time just with friends anywhere and everywhere, and going on day-long rides from when I was about 12, or going to three-day cricket matches in Bristol. 2p coin in pocket, in case we had to call home.

It seems to have been under 13s.

Your example does me laugh a bit, because it highlights two current opinions:
- Parenting was so much better in the days of old. We let kids be kids. They went out and played and explored the world developing all sorts of skills.
- Parenting was so much better in the days of old. We actually supervised the kids, took responsibility and ensured they learnt the real world skills that they need.

 

[Psamathe]

If Phillips is right then the solution she very clearly described to Adam Boulton on Times Radio last Sunday can be in place in weeks.

Weeks. Software like that doesn't work like that. What she has probably been describing is a very customised locked down 3rd party phone. Getting that 3rd party system integrated into Apple and Google Operating systems is not a matter of "weeks".

Government have not yet defined what they require. Saying "Oh but I saw it working" does not give software engineers enough to work on.
Apple, Google, Samsung, Sony, Motorola, etc. have to sort out ownership, licensing/payment (3rd party software has to be paid for by somebody), interfaces, liability, vulnerabilities, alpha testing, beta developer testing (couple of months), public betas (couple of months), RC release.

eg Apple have just (last few days) done the 1st developer beta release for the iPhone/iPad release due some time in this Autumn. With such a massive user base and low level OS issues can easily "brick" devices testing is not a trivial issue. Consider the impact on eg Apple were they to make a release that included a vulnerability even just "bricked" every iPhone in the UK under some conditions the proposed few days testing didn't catch - the company would never recover.

Companies would also probably now be needing to create UK only special versions of every Operating Systsem release for the UK market as having code taking processor power, battery scanning every screen display 24/7 would be a significant vulnerability/privacy risk and impact sales in every other country in the world.

Issues need to be resolved like most beta testers will be over 18 years old so won't be testing this functionality. Other apps directly access camera hardware which would bypass the "Oh I saw it working" version Ms Phillips saw.

etc., etc.

 

[BoldonLad]

According to the research paper.



It was 50 years ago (10 years ago) not the 50s.

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50 years ago was roughly my “parenting era”.

My reference to “with” was in present day terms. Many (yes, I agree, not all) children have their own “mini home” now ( ie own bedroom, TV, computer, game console etc), they MAY be in the same building (ie house) as their parent(s), but, they are not “with” them IMHO

I may be a dinosaur, but, I am not a rose tinted spectacles wearer. 🙂 the “olden days” were different, but, not universally “better” IMHO.

 

[briantrumpet]

It seems to have been under 13s.

Your example does me laugh a bit, because it highlights two current opinions:
- Parenting was so much better in the days of old. We let kids be kids. They went out and played and explored the world developing all sorts of skills.
- Parenting was so much better in the days of old. We actually supervised the kids, took responsibility and ensured they learnt the real world skills that they need.

Ok. Yeah, not putting values on it. We certainly had a lot of non-parent-supervised time from about age 7 to 13 when we weren't in school.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I never got a vote for Starmer as PM

Diddums.

The electorate have never voted for a PM in this country, despite the constant whines when an unpopular or apparently failing PM turns up.

Sometimes people vote in a GE for a party because of a leader, sometimes  despite a leader, and sometimes vote for a party and don't give a stuff about who's leader...but they  never vote for a leader.

The Americans vote for a leader and look where that has got them.

 

[Psamathe]

Diddums.

The electorate have never voted for a PM in this country, despite the constant whines when an unpopular or apparently failing PM turns up.

Sometimes people vote in a GE for a party because of a leader, sometimes  despite a leader, and sometimes vote for a party and don't give a stuff about who's leader...but they  never vote for a leader.

The Americans vote for a leader and look where that has got them.

Just because it's what the UK does doesn't mean it's right or democratic.

I try to discuss the issues not throw in demeaning jibes eg "Diddums".

 

[Rusty Nails]

Just because it's what the UK does doesn't mean it's right or democratic.

I try to discuss the issues not throw in demeaning jibes eg "Diddums".

I have never said it's right or democratic, but it is a cornerstone of our electoral system. By all means lobby your MP or start a petition to get the system changed but this is a thread about Starmer, not our wider electoral/democratic process.

I apologise for the use of the word 'diddums' as it has clearly upset you, but your opening sentence did strike me as you being upset you never had a chance to vote for him rather than acceptance that you have never had a chance to vote for any PM/Party Leader (unless you are a member of some political parties).

 

[BoldonLad]

I have never said it's right or democratic, but it is a cornerstone of our electoral system. By all means lobby your MP or start a petition to get the system changed but this is a thread about Starmer, not our wider electoral/democratic process.

I apologise for the use of the word 'diddums' as it has clearly upset you, but your opening sentence did strike me as you being upset you never had a chance to vote for him rather than acceptance that you have never had a chance to vote for any PM/Party Leader (unless you are a member of some political parties).

Yes, Mr Trumpet’s recommended book makes reference to the small pool of people who select candidates for possible MP, and, the even smaller pool who select leader/PM.

 

[Psamathe]

I have never said it's right or democratic, but it is a cornerstone of our electoral system. By all means lobby your MP or start a petition to get the system changed but this is a thread about Starmer, not our wider electoral/democratic process.

That aspect was raised as Burnham has been talking about major changes to yhe democratic processes. That was the reason some senior Green Party people said their party should not stand a candidate in Makerfield and not split the left vote, which would have increased the chances for Starmer losing PM job.

And Starmer keeps talking about "I was elected to ... and I'm not walking away from that". As being raised the electorate does not elect a PM and even the Labour party didn't elect Starmer as PM.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Yes, and the last thing I would ever have wanted to do was provide a naked picture of myself to other teenagers. Would you?

It would have been awkward if I had wanted to unless I was happy to take the film to the local photography shop/chemist or send it to Gratispool to have it developed, and then risk my parents seeing the results.

 

[BoldonLad]

It would have been awkward if I had wanted to unless I was happy to take the film to the local photography shop/chemist or send it to Gratispool to have it developed, and then risk my parents seeing the results.

Was Gratispool around in 1960?

I do remember them, but, I didn’t own a camera in my early teens, so, no reason to use them.

Edit: I see it was 1930s! For Gratispool, much earlier than I would have guessed!

 

[icowden]

Just because it's what the UK does doesn't mean it's right or democratic.

But er... it is democratic. We literally vote for someone to represent our area in Parliament. The people chosen form into parties and decide who the best person is to lead that party.

We don't vote for leaders.

We could be more democratic by getting rid of FPTP so that everyone's vote actually counts, but no one is willing to do that (yet).

 

[Rusty Nails]

Was Gratispool around in 1960?

I do remember them, but, I didn’t own a camera in my early teens, so, no reason to use them.

Just a name I remember, but Google tells me they started in the 1930s.

Likewise we never had a camera so, luckily, there are very few photos of me as a kid...and even more luckily no dickpix.