Starmer's vision quest

[briantrumpet]

You sure you didn’t hack his account?

He doesn't suffer fools gladly, and though I comment often on his posts, there are other things I know to keep quiet on as he'd slap me down unceremoniously. But he's really been on a roll today.

Not trombones though. He wants to learn the trombone, and I've offered to give him some online lessons. In the meantime, he's recovering from open-heart surgery.

 

[briantrumpet]

A good bit of writing from Marie le Conte

https://www.thenewworld.co.uk/marie-le-conte-i-didnt-rate-starmer-as-pm-so-why-do-i-feel-so-sad/

Like everyone else, I sat at my desk on Monday morning and watched Starmer feel sorry for himself, and I didn’t really feel sorry for him, but I still felt sad about the whole thing. The mistakes he made were his own, but there will always be something painful about someone failing to live up to expectations.

Somehow, there is something poignant about being unable to pinpoint exactly what he messed up: his fault, from beginning to end, was to be entirely unsuited to the job of prime minister.

I assumed his resignation would make me feel good, but again, I have this grief building up in my lungs. The story really is over, and Starmer really will be remembered as a failure; Labour really did squander two years in power for no obvious reason, and millions of people really will keep living inadequate lives as a result.

 

[Pblakeney]

I think this is all too true too. These first two/three years when Starmer could have ignored the polls and the racists, shown the £-value of immigration (in some form), the benefits of EU SM & CU, etc, and all he did was run scared of Farage because McSweeney was still acting like they weren't actually in power and needed to win an election.

He did all that electioneering, and ironically their polling was dire *because* they were electioneering against Farage rather than being Labour governing as a Labour Party. If Burnham can't break away from this destructive cycle really quickly, he'll be sunk too.

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It is for this reason (being in opposition) that I think Fagash is scared that he might win.
He’d actually have to do some work. Or last less than Truss.
He’d happily collect the PM pension though, slimy grifter that he is.

 

[Pross]

It is for this reason (being in opposition) that I think Fagash is scared that he might win.
He’d actually have to do some work. Or last less than Truss.
He’d happily collect the PM pension though, slimy grifter that he is.

Problem with Farage is no-one would push him out, he’d do a full term without doing anything productive

 

[bobzmyunkle]

On the theme of Starmer feeling sorry for himself - he still comes across as a scripted robot (even with the tears)

Starmer fought back tears as he said he planned to spend time being the "best husband" and "best dad I can to my beautiful children" - watch the clip below.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckger03mrl0t?post=asset:caac1443-9d36-4f57-92db-d46c27a99c9e#post

 

[Bromptonaut]

Reportage this morning is that Burnham would have liked a much longer handover with KS in 'caretaker' role until September.

The much shorter period, assuming no other candidate is nominated, is a stitch up by Starmer who has effectively said if you want me out I'm offski soonest.

 

[Pblakeney]

Reportage this morning is that Burnham would have liked a much longer handover with KS in 'caretaker' role until September.

The much shorter period, assuming no other candidate is nominated, is a stitch up by Starmer who has effectively said if you want me out I'm offski soonest.

“You wanted it, you got it. Beware what you wish for.”

 

[bobzmyunkle]

The much shorter period, assuming no other candidate is nominated, is a stitch up by Starmer who has effectively said if you want me out I'm offski soonest.

Surely not, Starmer wants the best for the country blah blah blah. And he's not the sort of bloke to go off in a strop.

 

[briantrumpet]

"Crocodile tears: Starmer steps down without understanding why."

I think that sums it up well: he still doesn't get why his pissing off most of normal Labour voters to try to get the Reform vote meant he had to go. Politically irredeemably incapable of comprehension.

 

[C R]

"Crocodile tears: Starmer steps down without understanding why."

I think that sums it up well: he still doesn't get why his pissing off most of normal Labour voters to try to get the Reform vote meant he had to go. Politically irredeemably incapable of comprehension.

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I think it is telling that not many British political commentators are making this point.

 

[briantrumpet]

I think it is telling that not many British political commentators are making this point.

I still think that the most telling point was Starmer's reaction after Gorton & Denton: Labour voters chose to vote Green to keep Reform out, Starmer said 'Lessons will be learnt', and precisely nothing changed, even to the extent of bringing McSweeney back from his supposed resignation. And prior to that, each time he'd explicitly said something more progressive (EU, immigration, etc), he got a polling bump, but he pressed on with the Reform-lite noises (Island of Strangers, Mahmood, etc) regardless. It was like he genuinely didn't ever understand why people had voted Labour in the 2024 GE.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Try this - not a Starmer's a decent chap opinion.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myJY2aYadBk

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Owen's not impressed either.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVaC7Et8AWQ

 

[C R]

I still think that the most telling point was Starmer's reaction after Gorton & Denton: Labour voters chose to vote Green to keep Reform out, Starmer said 'Lessons will be learnt', and precisely nothing changed, even to the extent of bringing McSweeney back from his supposed resignation. And prior to that, each time he'd explicitly said something more progressive (EU, immigration, etc), he got a polling bump, but he pressed on with the Reform-lite noises (Island of Strangers, Mahmood, etc) regardless. It was like he genuinely didn't ever understand why people had voted Labour in the 2024 GE.

But even though all run of the mill commenters like us could see that even before he became prime minister, hardly any opinion pieces or mainstream commentators go there. Why?

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

But even though all run of the mill commenters like us could see that even before he became prime minister, hardly any opinion pieces or mainstream commentators go there. Why?

"Run of the mill"? Compared to the current crop of 'professionals', NCAP is at Paxman/Snow levels! 😂