Starmer's vision quest

[Psamathe]

Open a UK visa application office on in France on the coast and guarantee the decision process as the same as for applications submitted from UK, even run periodic tribunals in the area in France for those cases that warrant legal appeal hearings. Those granted asylum get a free ferry crossing ticket.

Who would pay a criminal a vast amount of money, undertake the dangerous crossing, etc. when they could get an identical result staying where they are.

That would "stop the boats", end demand and terminate business model of criminal gangs, end use of expensive hotels in UK, etc.

Ian

 

[CXRAndy]

There are no freebies.

Your 19 year old son speaks two languages - Syrian and English. He has no French, Italian, German, Spanish, Portuguese or Baltic languages.
Which country do you think he should aim for?

Also, your second cousin Dom is resident in the UK with some other people you know. Do you choose a country where he has no friends, no relations, no contacts and is unable to communicate, or the country where he can speak the language a little and has people he knows?

You're just altering your position to fit your argument. It's a fact they get more freebies and are more easily helped to stay on the UK compared to many other European countries.

A clear example of reducing illegal migrants was Italy, it cracked down with stricter borders, assistance and a drop of 60% on illegal migrants from 2023-2024 attempting to enter or staying in Italy occurred .

Remove the pull factor, enforce borders with the military and the problem will drastically reduce. Repatriate those who are clearly economic immigrants and control legal immigration with strict rules

 

[Bazzer]

Nah, they are almost all illegal economic migrants

Clearly you don't remember at least one response to your deleted, or more accurately attempt to delete, Internet Hate Crime posts, concerning the allegations and unrest following the Southport murders.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I'm not sure getting people to apply from France would change things. You've obviously got more chance of remaining if you have already made it to the UK. If you've been refused asylum in the EU it's unlikely the UK would grant it if you're still managing to reside safely in France so there's still an incentive to cross the channel. Apart from which you'd be in a queue of thousands in France awaiting a decision rather than already here awaiting a decision. Plus the French government might view it as creating a further pull factor that encourages more people to come to France.

 

[icowden]

You're just altering your position to fit your argument. It's a fact they get more freebies and are more easily helped to stay on the UK compared to many other European countries.

No it isn't. You can't make facts up.

Remove the pull factor, enforce borders with the military and the problem will drastically reduce.

There isn't a problem that needs drastically reducing. The numbers are tiny. They are only huge to xenophobic morons. The cost is huge because the Tories failed to tackle immigration by processing the claims. They created a hostile immigration system which caused asylum seekers to arrive without documentation then defunded the people who need to process the claims, thus creating a vast backlog which has never reduced.

Process the claims then there is no bill for rent, food etc.

Repatriate those who are clearly economic immigrants and control legal immigration with strict rules

But let them work while you work out who those are.

 

[CXRAndy]

The numbers are significant

Since 2018, over 150,000 people have crossed the English Channel in small boats without authorization, based on UK government data. In 2024, 36,816 crossings were recorded, up 25% from 29,437 in 2023 but down from the peak of 45,755 in 2022. As of February 26, 2025, 2,056 crossings were reported for the year.

Cost billions per year

The Tories, labour before and labour now. No one is dealing with it

 

[C R]

Don't.Feed.It

 

[CXRAndy]

Don't.Feed.It

You've gone from Tut Tut 😂

 

[C R]

You've gone from Tut Tut tuk-tuk 😂

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Tut tut

 

[All uphill]

Open a UK visa application office on in France on the coast and guarantee the decision process as the same as for applications submitted from UK, even run periodic tribunals in the area in France for those cases that warrant legal appeal hearings. Those granted asylum get a free ferry crossing ticket.

Who would pay a criminal a vast amount of money, undertake the dangerous crossing, etc. when they could get an identical result staying where they are.

That would "stop the boats", end demand and terminate business model of criminal gangs, end use of expensive hotels in UK, etc.

Ian

People smuggling doesn't start at Calais and end at Dover. It starts in the Sahel, Tehran and Kabul, among many other places. People choose to use people smugglers because it's a better prospect than staying in a place where they face torture, murder and persecution.

 

[Psamathe]

People smuggling doesn't start at Calais and end at Dover. It starts in the Sahel, Tehran and Kabul, among many other places. People choose to use people smugglers because it's a better prospect than staying in a place where they face torture, murder and persecution.

But the last leg across the channel adds to the cost and adds to the danger. Change the system such that there is no benefit (or even detriment) and you achieve "stop the boats" and the deaths.

I agree it's not any solution. I don't have all the answers but I suspect many of the ways forward start by recognising that the majority are refugees and not illegal. It's past time for all our (UK) politicians to stop the "illegal migrants" demonisation and start highlighting benefits.

Ian

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/marcolonghi4dn/status/1911683441424289811?t=2HL2Ksr3Md-pwkHzuR52Sg&s=19

 

[icowden]

View: https://x.com/marcolonghi4dn/status/1911683441424289811?t=2HL2Ksr3Md-pwkHzuR52Sg&s=19

Just stop reading the Telegraph and try a proper news source. It will do wonders for your blood pressure.

As usual I'm interested in disproving the utter bollocks that you post.

The UK has not produced coking coal since 2015. Coking coal is needed for the steel blast furnaces in Sheffield. The Government is trying to keep these viable and convert them to electric furnaces. Buying coking coal is, therefore, a stopgap.

It would cost far more to reopen the last coking colliery and produce our own limited supply for a short period of time than to purchase the needed coal from Japan.

 

[C R]

Just stop reading the Telegraph and try a proper news source. It will do wonders for your blood pressure.

As usual I'm interested in disproving the utter bollocks that you post.

The UK has not produced coking coal since 2015. Coking coal is needed for the steel blast furnaces in Sheffield. The Government is trying to keep these viable and convert them to electric furnaces. Buying coking coal is, therefore, a stopgap.

It would cost far more to reopen the last coking colliery and produce our own limited supply for a short period of time than to purchase the needed coal from Japan.

You should know by now that it gets confused by big words.

 

[Xipe Totec]

It's the freebies that are handed out when they get here in the UK.

What 'freebies'? The free burning bins hurled at their squalid, overcrowded, flea-infested accommodation by the likes of you & your pissed-up, shaven-headed, swastika-tattooed, sieg-heiling mates?