Starmer's vision quest

[CXRAndy]

I don't mind a political position, even if I don't agree with it.

Corbyn didn't made PM, because most don't agree with his views.

Even now as an independent, after being purged fron the Labour Party (by Starner), he still holds the same beliefs.

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/jonnymelamet/status/1934492212148281661?t=EEPwSXmvXxcu1zh96MOtOg&s=19

 

[Xipe Totec]

No he can't win, because he lacks clarity of vision, conviction of his beliefs, he jimps on every minority position. He hasn't listened to the people of the nation for most of his political career.

Take the gender issue. Some years ago he stood with trans community, saying some women can have a penis, then flopped to no women cannot have a penis. He ignored women's complaints regarding their rights, stood by when one his own women mp Rosie Duffield was hounded out of the party because of her perfectly sensible comments.

He would not come out (pun) and state the position of women and their rights, took the supreme court. Even then over a week to make the most basic acknowledgement.

Social media under Musk, who by the way publicised the rape gang crisis, has been an extremely powerful tool to bring public humiliation to his meandering positions on various subjects.

Before 𝕏 was under control , heavily censored and dissenting opinions removed. It's now open, you can get historical statements which contradicts current political position making these political figures look dishonest and without backbone.

I've got far more respect for Corbyn, though I don't agree with his politics. He pretty much stands by ideas he's had for decades.

Starmer on the other hand is like a compass caught in magnetic storm with his political position.

Having enforced a no vote against a national rape gang enquiry, calling most the country racists, now has capitulated to the pressure from social media, public opinion and high profile figures ridiculing him relentlessly

Stopped Clock of the Day!

Seriously Andy - do this more. I disagree with some of your assertions (obvs) but your broad assesment of the principle-free conviction-vacuum that is Starmer is on the nail.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Having enforced a no vote against a national rape gang enquiry, calling most the country racists, now has capitulated to the pressure from social media, public opinion and high profile figures ridiculing him relentlessly

We probably need to wait for the Casey Report to be published. It's not actually clear how she envisages a national inquiry being constituted.

Meanwhile the Tories, who did beggar all to implement the earlier reports on the subject are now going full tonto political on it.

 

[Psamathe]

Meanwhile the Tories, who did beggar all to implement the earlier reports on the subject are now going full tonto political on it.

Which highlights another failure of our politicians in their continual "Under New Management", somebody else's failings not current incumbent. They change leader and suddenly seem to think all their past failings are washed away. Trouble is that the population continue to endure the impacts of those failings long after they've relinquished all responsibility & blame.

Ian

 

[First Aspect]

Child abuse comes under Department of Education, I think?

Here are the people in charge since 2010:

Previous holders of this role
The Rt Hon Gillian Keegan
2022 to 2024

The Rt Hon Kit Malthouse MP
2022 to 2022

The Rt Hon James Cleverly MP
2022 to 2022

The Rt Hon Michelle Donelan
2022 to 2022

The Rt Hon Nadhim Zahawi
2021 to 2022

The Rt Hon Sir Gavin Williamson CBE MP
2019 to 2021

The Rt Hon Damian Hinds MP
2018 to 2019

The Rt Hon Justine Greening
2016 to 2018

The Rt Hon Baroness Nicky Morgan
2014 to 2016

The Rt Hon Michael Gove
2010 to 2014

Most seem to be members of the Conservative party. A few have somehow managed to be current MPs. Inthink Labour will manage to find a way to argue this point fairly effectively if BadEnoch keeps on with this attack line.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Why would it be Education? It wasn't happening in schools. This is mostly about a failing at local level by police and social services - often in Labour run councils. An enquiry might shed light on whether the Ministry of Health and Welfare or Ministry of Justice were aware though or played any part. I know the first MP to draw attention to it, Ann Cryer, worked with David Blunkett to try to get grooming made into a criminal offence so there was some awareness higher up.

 

[Pross]

Why would it be Education? It wasn't happening in schools. This is mostly about a failing at local level by police and social services - often in Labour run councils. An enquiry might shed light on whether the Ministry of Health and Welfare or Ministry of Justice were aware though or played any part. I know the first MP to draw attention to it, Ann Cryer, worked with David Blunkett to try to get grooming made into a criminal offence so there was some awareness higher up.

The point still remains that the previous Government had 14 years (I believe) from perpetrators finally being jailed until they got voted out. That said the initial allegations stem back to the Blair government. The issue the Tories have with pretty much everything is that the easy response whenever they try to criticise is 'why didn't you do anything about it in all your years in power?'. At some point this ceases to be a valid response but criticising the Government for not doing something within a year when you've sat on it for far longer with no meaningful action is a bit challenging. They continue to think the electorate are stupid and / or have very short memories.

 

[briantrumpet]

They continue to think the electorate are stupid and / or have very short memories.

History suggests that they might not be entirely wrong about that.

 

[First Aspect]

Why would it be Education? It wasn't happening in schools. This is mostly about a failing at local level by police and social services - often in Labour run councils. An enquiry might shed light on whether the Ministry of Health and Welfare or Ministry of Justice were aware though or played any part. I know the first MP to draw attention to it, Ann Cryer, worked with David Blunkett to try to get grooming made into a criminal offence so there was some awareness higher up.

Dunno, but I googled it and Google tells me that's where responsibility lies within government.

Its the internet so it might not be right.

 

[briantrumpet]

Dunno, but I googled it and Google tells me that's where responsibility lies within government.

Its the internet so it might not be right.

A large part of educational safeguarding training now is about picking up clues about where abuse of any kind might be happening, and feeding all of the little clues into a system that can flag up patterns of abuse, even if the individuals spotting clues might be unaware of the bigger pattern.