Starmer's vision quest

[CXRAndy]

Not another two tier keir, this time for benefits

How many is that now?

 

[CXRAndy]

Your taxes are going up again to pay for two tier welfare arrangements

 

[CXRAndy]

Every major party voters supports mass deportations of illegal immigration


View: https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1938266012304162826?t=iH_taeIchIIyuIDjnDGz1g&s=19

 

[laurentian]

Every major party voters supports mass deportations of illegal immigration


View: https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1938266012304162826?t=iH_taeIchIIyuIDjnDGz1g&s=19

"illegal" being the operative word here

 

[C R]

"illegal" being the operative word here

It knows, it doesn't care, don't feed it.

 

[icowden]

John Major wasn't a Public School Boy

True - I wasn't going as far back as that.

Are ALL old Etonians dishonest?
Are ALL old Etonians the product of wealthy parents?

Probably not. But the ones that seem to end up in the cabinet / having a crack at PM all seem to be.

Rory Stewart is a good example of an old Etonian who isn't dishonest, but then he wasn't there due to wealth, he was paid for by the Government as his father was a diplomat and colonial official who often moved country.

 

[BoldonLad]

True - I wasn't going as far back as that.


Probably not. But the ones that seem to end up in the cabinet / having a crack at PM all seem to be.

Rory Stewart is a good example of an old Etonian who isn't dishonest, but then he wasn't there due to wealth, he was paid for by the Government as his father was a diplomat and colonial official who often moved country.

is he unique, or just unusual?

I suppose stereotypes are fine, if they favour your bias.

 

[Psamathe]

Re: Disability Benefit Cuts
To me the proposed changes and the solution Westminster looks like having reached highlights the total inadequacy of our governance and politicians.

1. Cuting benefits disabled need is not solving a problem, just putting vulnerable struggling people under even more pressure. If there are issues with too many needing the support solve the problem by treating those who can be treated to lower their need, but just withdrawing support they need is no solution.

2. Maintaining for those currently claiming and cutting for new claimants to me it totally morally unjustified. If disabled people need the help what difference does it make if their disability started yesterday or tomorrow. There is either a need or there isn't, starting suffering yesterday or tomorrow is irrelevant.

We deserve better.

Ian

 

[BoldonLad]

Re: Disability Benefit Cuts
To me the proposed changes and the solution Westminster looks like having reached highlights the total inadequacy of our governance and politicians.

1. Cuting benefits disabled need is not solving a problem, just putting vulnerable struggling people under even more pressure. If there are issues with too many needing the support solve the problem by treating those who can be treated to lower their need, but just withdrawing support they need is no solution.

2. Maintaining for those currently claiming and cutting for new claimants to me it totally morally unjustified. If disabled people need the help what difference does it make if their disability started yesterday or tomorrow. There is either a need or there isn't, starting suffering yesterday or tomorrow is irrelevant.

We deserve better.

Ian

To the best of my knowledge, a similar situation already exists, if you are in receipt of PIP, before you become state pension age, the PIP can/does continue, but, if you cannot make a (new) claim for PIP, even if your condition meets the criteria, once you have reached State Pension Age.

I agree, it seems unreasonable. A definite feeling of "I am alright Jack, pull the ladder up".

 

[bobzmyunkle]

It is encouraging that some Labour MPs appear to be growing a collective backbone. Early days, though.

2. Maintaining for those currently claiming and cutting for new claimants to me it totally morally unjustified. If disabled people need the help what difference does it make if their disability started yesterday or tomorrow. There is either a need or there isn't, starting suffering yesterday or tomorrow is irrelevant.

Early days indeed and only a modicum of backbone. Maybe they achieved what they could at this stage and hopefully will continue, maybe even getting bolder.

 

[Psamathe]

To the best of my knowledge, a similar situation already exists, if you are in receipt of PIP, before you become state pension age, the PIP can/does continue, but, if you cannot make a (new) claim for PIP, even if your condition meets the criteria, once you have reached State Pension Age.

I agree, it seems unreasonable. A definite feeling of "I am alright Jack, pull the ladder up".

I wasn't aware of the PIP & Pension age issue but that just sort of emphasises that rather than making a unjustifiable situation better they seem to use that unjustifiable situation as an excuse to add more "anomalies"

Politicians are meant to maker things better not dafter.

 

[Psamathe]

The other daft aspect (that most of the electorate will have ignored) is that yesterday in Parliament Starmer was saying how Labour are reforming disability benefit on "Labour values of fairness" (his exact words). does that mean that suffer a disability condition yesterday and state will support myou but suffer an identical disability tomorrow and state won't support you. Is that what Labour consider "Labour values of fairness"? Identical condition separated by a few days meaning help or no help from state.

Ian

 

[Bromptonaut]

I wasn't aware of the PIP & Pension age issue but that just sort of emphasises that rather than making a unjustifiable situation better they seem to use that unjustifiable situation as an excuse to add more "anomalies"

Politicians are meant to maker things better not dafter.

After pension age PIP is replaced by Attendance Allowance (AA) with different criteria.

AA was originally an 'all age' benefit but was replaced by Disability Living Allowance (DLA) for those under pension age in the nineties. More a change of name and a move away from a constant re-assessment roundabout then new criteria.

PIP replaced DLA for those over 16 and under pension age under (I think) the coalition. PIP criteria were more tightly defined an it was, at first, seen as more difficult to obtain but, as time has gone by, advisers with the help of much easier access to info via the internet have cracked how to work it out.

DLA remains in place for the under 16s.

 

[BoldonLad]

After pension age PIP is replaced by Attendance Allowance (AA) with different criteria.

AA was originally an 'all age' benefit but was replaced by Disability Living Allowance (DLA) for those under pension age in the nineties. More a change of name and a move away from a constant re-assessment roundabout then new criteria.

PIP replaced DLA for those over 16 and under pension age under (I think) the coalition. PIP criteria were more tightly defined an it was, at first, seen as more difficult to obtain but, as time has gone by, advisers with the help of much easier access to info via the internet have cracked how to work it out.

DLA remains in place for the under 16s.

I may be wrong, sounds like you know more about these things than me, but, if AA is a "replacement" for PIP for those of State Pension Age, it is a poor deal in terms of amount.

IMHO, the system (for all benefits) should not be so complex that is needs advisors to work it out.

On the subject of "advisors", Son No2 is a professional claimant, he has managed to reach the age of 51, and, work only approximately 6 months. Currently in receipt of UC, and PIP, plus associated "perks" (ie Housing benefit or whatever it is called now, and, Council tax benefit, etc). He gets most of his "advice" from fellow claimants in the local Workingmen's Club and/or Wetherspoons.

 

[Bromptonaut]

I may be wrong, sounds like you know more about these things than me, but, if AA is a "replacement" for PIP for those of State Pension Age, it is a poor deal in terms of amount.

It only replaces the Daily Living Component in PIP but with amounts that are identical to Standard and Enhanced Rate.

You cannot, and have not been able to for many years if ever, qualify afresh for mobility after pension age.