Starmer's vision quest

[Stevo 666]

In other news, we have a new variety of 'bin burner':
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/07/11/unite-union-suspends-rayner-over-bin-strikes/

 

[bobzmyunkle]

No. You said:
bobzmyunkle said:
"ISAs are tax avoidance and therefore equivalent to all other forms of tax avoidance. So there's no moral difference between saving a few quid in an ISA and any of those convoluted schemes that people pay their accountants to set up.
You've convinced me guys. Well actually you haven't but I'm just one of those whinging lefties and no doubt a hypocrite according to your puerile logic"

I've highlighted the relevant part in bold above in case you forgot what you said.

You've convinced me @stevo. Well actually you haven't

Maybe that's where your comprehension fails, you don't do context and nuance.

 

[CXRAndy]

Is total civil unrest just over the horizon?

 

[HMS_Dave]

Other than disturbing, am i the only one that finds the symbology of this act as being bizarre? The closest have have come to is that i think the Vikings would burn their boats with prominent figures of the vikings after their demise and set it to sail. But the trouble with that is this boat is on top of a 25 ft pyre! Im not sure i understand what business a boat has on top of it!

 

[Ian H]

Other than disturbing, am i the only one that finds the symbology of this act as being bizarre? The closest have have come to is that i think the Vikings would burn their boats with prominent figures of the vikings after their demise and set it to sail. But the trouble with that is this boat is on top of a 25 ft pyre! Im not sure i understand what business a boat has on top of it!

It's the work of NI Loyalists, no need to overthink it.

 

[Stevo 666]

Maybe that's where your comprehension fails, you don't do context and nuance.

Is that the sound of back pedalling I hear? You got caught out talking leftiebollox, but what's new about that?

 

[Ian H]

Is that the sound of back pedalling I hear? You got caught out talking leftiebollox, but what's new about that?

You need to backtrack and read his post again, because you have completely missed the point.

Which admittedly is funny.

Actually, keep digging - it's even funnier.

 

[BoldonLad]

But would it have be more bearable still had he had 10 times the wealth? I assume that was the point of the question. There comes a point where some people are beyond living in comfort / luxury and having everything they could possibly need or really want yet they continue with their main focus seemingly being to make even more. Don't get me wrong, I would love to win a big Euro Millions jackpot and live in luxury but even at that level I hope I'd be thinking of how I could use it to help others and certainly wouldn't be looking at ways, legal or not, to avoid paying taxes.

I wouldn’t know at which multiple of wealth my pal’s enjoyment may have peaked, but, the post to which I replied mentioned “hoarding”, but, gave no indication of the size of the hoard.

 

[icowden]

But would it have be more bearable still had he had 10 times the wealth? I assume that was the point of the question.

The old adage is that money can't buy you happiness. The additional tagline is "but it makes being miserable a hell of a lot more fun".

There are billionaires who think they should use their wealth well - hence the Giving Pledge set up by Warren Buffet and Bill Gates where they have pledged to give away 99% of their wealth. If Buffet achieves that he'll still have $1.43 billion. Same for Gates. The children won't starve but the billionaires will have done something useful for the world.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I forget what the exact figure is but research suggests there is a point at which more money does not bring more happiness. In fact, as I recall, people kind of return to their personal baseline of happiness irregardless of how much money they have. I think this is true, from my own experience anyway. Money brings security and freedom to do things, but I wouldn't say I was any happier now than when we lived in a smaller house, had an older car, and so on. Whether that's because age brings other challenges or because I'm not that interested in buying luxury stuff, I'm not sure.

Edit: It's an income of $100k. After this point your happiness doesn't increase...

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Indeed, both are also immoral. I

Let me introduce an alternative view, in the private market the profitability of a company and market demands should work as a filter companies that are not run well go bankrupt. If companies think to much of themselves and to less about the end user people will stop using their product or service.(that how it should work)

So similarly instead of the moral horse why not view it in the way of a government that spend to much will be punished by bigger tax dogging as there will always be loopholes and legal ways to get around the rules.

 

[Ian H]

...tax dogging...

That'll keep the revenue inspectors busy.