Starmer's vision quest

[Dorset Boy]

Are you saying that women aren't in the real world?

Let's remember a few contemporaneous details. The government introduced the Gateway service in 2001. According to CoPilot, only 49% of UK households had home computers at that time. Most were on dial up networks. Only 30% of women were on-line at home, with younger male users being most prevalent. Of the 30% of women on line, there was a higher proportion of younger users, and a lower proportion of older users. Before accessing a Gateway account you'd first need to know that the service existed.

If you were not being sent post by HMRC, then you wouldn't be receiving the necessary details to check your account, or even know that the Gateway account existed.

This portrayal of middle aged women as being too silly, feckless, living under a rock, or not living in the real world is not an unusual world view of married men leaving the chores to the other half while they pratt about on computers.

So yes, the distinction about those with presence in the real world and those in the cyber world is well made, but with the reversed conclusions.

You don't need a Government Gateway ID to get a State Pension forecast, you can fill out a BR19 Form, and any adviser would have told you that back in 2001 or earlier. So it's still down to those WASPIs not doing their research, more fool them.
They are due nothing and should STFU

 

[briantrumpet]

You don't need a Government Gateway ID to get a State Pension forecast, you can fill out a BR19 Form, and any adviser would have told you that back in 2001 or earlier. So it's still down to those WASPIs not doing their research, more fool them.
They are due nothing and should STFU

I might have had just a smidge (just a smidge) more sympathy if their acronym (as noted) didn't reference 'pension inequality'. Complete lack of historical self awareness. There are far more worthy causes of gender inequality claims than this.

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/miss_anthrop75/status/1953793894862258279?t=IFXlv-V9HcNNU-cmrU7kog&s=19

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/MartinKnight_/status/1953543944421122559?t=64jxIIrK3TK8P4zSxlZYvQ&s=19

 

[monkers]

You don't need a Government Gateway ID to get a State Pension forecast, you can fill out a BR19 Form, and any adviser would have told you that back in 2001 or earlier. So it's still down to those WASPIs not doing their research, more fool them.
They are due nothing and should STFU

Form BR19 was introduced in November 2012.

 

[CXRAndy]

RFA busy


View: https://x.com/normAL219/status/1953760547427467457?t=JTbG0ZfmMYH4LYLXdxPvAw&s=19

 

[Dorset Boy]

Form BR19 was introduced in November 2012.

That simply is not true. It was around in the 1990s as a basic google search will confirm, and was downloadable by 2003

 

[briantrumpet]

That simply is not true. It was around in the 1990s as a basic google search will confirm, and was downloadable by 2003

?

 

[briantrumpet]

 

[Bromptonaut]

Maybe you need to wake up to the facts at this point - Labour are not lefties. They will not tax wealth - they are your team.

That.

Exactly.

A Labour Party that won't consider a wealth tax or increasing income tax for high earners doesn't deserve its name.

I resigned from the party under Blair because of rightward drift and again over this.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Their complaint was not that the pension age had changed.

As others have said you'd have to live under a rock to not understand the basic fact that the pension age for women was being adjusted to be the same as men.

The justifiable complaint, ie that upheld by the government's own adjudicator, was around the way in which the exercise was run. Some specific cohorts, IIRC particularly those born in the late fifties, had the timescale for equalisation compressed over a timescale where mitigation would have been difficult and with notice that was inadequate.

 

[Shortfall]

And in other news, the irony of the Labour homelessness minister having to resign over kicking her tenants out and jacking up the rent for the new tenants. Ah, the joys of leftie hypocrisy...

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-08-07/homelessness-minister-urged-to-resign-over-rent-hike-hypocrisy

This doesn't seem to have generated a lot of interest or discussion on this particular forum. Funny that. Sometimes what isn't being said tells you more about the way people's minds are working than what is.

 

[Psamathe]

Are you saying that women aren't in the real world?

That is just insulting. I suggested no such thing. I'm not impressed when I see responses like this.

My pension age was changed and I never got notified. The terms of my pension have changed several times and I was never notified. I don't see this as a gender issue.

Ian

 

[Psamathe]

This doesn't seem to have generated a lot of interest or discussion on this particular forum. Funny that. Sometimes what isn't being said tells you more about the way people's minds are working than what is.

Maybe because after all the free clothes, gifts of expensive football tickets, free concert tickets, etc. it's just become expected of Labour. I appreciate she's done nothing illegal but it's all very much "do as I say, not as I do" and that's no way to persuade an electorate you are working for them, that you have an ideology, that you are trying to change things (although personally I see "change" as daft 'cos we need to improve things or clarify "change" to be "change for the better").

Ian

 

[monkers]

That is just insulting. I suggested no such thing. I'm not impressed when I see responses like this.

My pension age was changed and I never got notified. The terms of my pension have changed several times and I was never notified. I don't see this as a gender issue.

Ian

I thought your comment insulting to women. It reminds of the household dynamics prevalent at the time, wife and daughters skivvying around men and boys while they inhabit the sofa endlessly watching football. Any complaint was met with, ''but I bought you a twin tub love''. That was the ''real world'' for women in that era. Times might have changed for the better. Let's hope so.