Starmer's vision quest

[briantrumpet]

Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood condemned "those who have attacked and injured police officers".
"Anyone taking part in criminal activity will face the full force of the law," she added.

OK, better than nothing, but that's a policing matter. Nothing about the message about foreigners not being welcome? Do we have a Prime Minister?

 

[Pblakeney]

Labour silent about today's Yaxley-Lennon march. There's a void where there should be leadership.

I kind of agree but on the other hand, some people are best ignored and left to stew in silence. Can we do the same with Farage?
I suppose they can boil over in their bubble though which is when to step in.

 

[briantrumpet]

I kind of agree but on the other hand, some people are best ignored and left to stew in silence. Can we do the same with Farage?
I suppose they can boil over in their bubble though which is when to step in.

One or two commentators suggesting the show of strength is as much towards Farage, but it still brings one up short to see so many racists.

 

[briantrumpet]

I suppose this kind of cheered me up a bit (apart from Freedman also wondering why there's no pushback).

 

[Psamathe]

I kind of agree but on the other hand, some people are best ignored and left to stew in silence. Can we do the same with Farage?
I suppose they can boil over in their bubble though which is when to step in.

I think a major part of the problem is that Labour are pushing the same agenda as Reform - lots of talk about "illegal immigrants", how these illegal boat crossings must be stopped, how we are sending them back, etc. all escalatory language that is driving those so inclined further to the right.

Time Labour changed the rhetoric, started talking about refugees as human beings in need of our help, how UK is a moral country that helps those few in desperate need and talking about the contribution they make to the economy.

Why not allow asylum seekers to work whilst their claims are being assessed as many other European countries allow so they are not costing us in hotel bills.

Lots of ways to deescalate. Starmer will lose to Farage if he competes on Reform territory playing Reform's rules as Starmer has no charisma and loads of constraints (like truth and accountability) whereas Farage has plenty of charisma and can talk twaddle with no accountability.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I suppose this kind of cheered me up a bit (apart from Freedman also wondering why there's no pushback).

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The thing that genuinely makes no sense is that there does not seem to be any distinction by Labour between people who are genuinely disillusioned and have veered towards Reform and actual far right racists. They seem think that it is one homogenous group and that any critical words will alienate the whole group.

They are allowed to talk about genuine social issues that concern people whilst acknowledging there is a small subset of actual far right racists who are separate from others on the right and that it is okay to tell this lot to fark right off.

 

[Pblakeney]

whereas Farage has plenty of charisma and can talk twaddle with no accountability.

This is the really scary part. There may be one day where he has accountability but he won't be the one that pays the bills.
Anyone who thinks there is no chance need only look back 12 months when suggesting Trump would win was just silly.

 

[Pblakeney]

The thing that genuinely makes no sense is that there does not seem to be any distinction by Labour between people who are genuinely disillusioned and have veered towards Reform and actual far right racists. They seem think that it is one homogenous group and that any critical words will alienate the whole group.

They are allowed to talk about genuine social issues that concern people whilst acknowledging there is a small subset of actual far right racists who are separate from others on the right and that it is okay to tell this lot to fark right off.

Maybe those sensible people within Reform should tell the nutters to fark right off?
Sorry, I had a moment there. 😉

 

[Xipe Totec]

Labour silent about today's Yaxley-Lennon march. There's a void where there should be leadership.

Where you & I may see a hundred thousand drunken racist morons, bellowing abuse, attacking the police, vomiting & pissing in the street while they look for someone a bit brown to kick into a coma - Starmer sees only votes.

And theirs are the only votes he cares about.

 

[briantrumpet]

Where you & I may see a hundred thousand drunken racist morons, bellowing abuse, attacking the police, vomiting & pissing in the street while they look for someone a bit brown to kick into a coma - Starmer sees only votes.

And theirs are the only votes he cares about.

It's a pity he doesn't look behind him and McSweeney to see even more votes drifting away than the ones they are trying to woo.

 

[CXRAndy]

Nothing about the message about foreigners not being welcome? Do we have a Prime Minister?

Time Labour changed the rhetoric, started talking about refugees as human beings in need of our help, how UK is a moral country that helps those few in desperate need and talking about the contribution they make to the economy.

The UK doesn't want free loader, economic illegal migration.

For decades the UK public were told there won't be many coming, There are millions costing the British public billions just house them in hotels and benefits

Labour are done, the tories are done

 

[cookiemonster]

If Reform's the answer, we're asking the wrong question.

Incidentally, has it ever occurred to people that immigrants are being used as an excuse to hide the failure of the rampant, free for all Capitalist economic model that we've been subjected to for the past 40 or so years? It's destroyed everything. It's even beginning to have an effect on the birth rates as rates are failing almost everywhere. If people cannot afford to house and feed themselves, despite working full time, they're not going to bring kids into the world.

Immigrants are not the issue. People with billion dollar portfolios are. Start blaming multi-nationals, not immigrants.

 

[cookiemonster]

The UK doesn't want free loader, economic illegal migration.

But free loading, miilionaire/billionaire tax evaders are fine then.

You know that Farage gets paid by companies that advise rich people how to avoid tax? Can you imagine the outcry from the usual suspects if this was an MP from other parties?

 

[CXRAndy]

Avoiding tax, doesn't mean the person or company doesn't invest in local area. It means they dont waste their earnings letting spend thrift government's piss it away

 

[CXRAndy]

If Reform's the answer, we're asking the wrong question.

Incidentally, has it ever occurred to people that immigrants are being used as an excuse to hide the failure of the rampant, free for all Capitalist economic model that we've been subjected to for the past 40 or so years? It's destroyed everything. It's even beginning to have an effect on the birth rates as rates are failing almost everywhere. If people cannot afford to house and feed themselves, despite working full time, they're not going to bring kids into the world.

Immigrants are not the issue. People with billion dollar portfolios are. Start blaming multi-nationals, not immigrants.

Capitalism isn't the problem it's socialism, let everyone come, increase tax burden, lower wages, depression through constantly working to feed the system, mean people are unhappy, dont settle in long term relationships to build families.