briantrumpet
Guru
OK, better than nothing, but that's a policing matter. Nothing about the message about foreigners not being welcome? Do we have a Prime Minister?
Starmer's vision quest
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OK, better than nothing, but that's a policing matter. Nothing about the message about foreigners not being welcome? Do we have a Prime Minister?
Pblakeney
Über Member
I kind of agree but on the other hand, some people are best ignored and left to stew in silence. Can we do the same with Farage?
I suppose they can boil over in their bubble though which is when to step in.
briantrumpet
Guru
One or two commentators suggesting the show of strength is as much towards Farage, but it still brings one up short to see so many racists.
briantrumpet
Guru
I suppose this kind of cheered me up a bit (apart from Freedman also wondering why there's no pushback).
Psamathe
Veteran
I think a major part of the problem is that Labour are pushing the same agenda as Reform - lots of talk about "illegal immigrants", how these illegal boat crossings must be stopped, how we are sending them back, etc. all escalatory language that is driving those so inclined further to the right.
Time Labour changed the rhetoric, started talking about refugees as human beings in need of our help, how UK is a moral country that helps those few in desperate need and talking about the contribution they make to the economy.
Why not allow asylum seekers to work whilst their claims are being assessed as many other European countries allow so they are not costing us in hotel bills.
Lots of ways to deescalate. Starmer will lose to Farage if he competes on Reform territory playing Reform's rules as Starmer has no charisma and loads of constraints (like truth and accountability) whereas Farage has plenty of charisma and can talk twaddle with no accountability.
midlandsgrimpeur
Regular
The thing that genuinely makes no sense is that there does not seem to be any distinction by Labour between people who are genuinely disillusioned and have veered towards Reform and actual far right racists. They seem think that it is one homogenous group and that any critical words will alienate the whole group.
They are allowed to talk about genuine social issues that concern people whilst acknowledging there is a small subset of actual far right racists who are separate from others on the right and that it is okay to tell this lot to fark right off.
Pblakeney
Über Member
This is the really scary part. There may be one day where he has accountability but he won't be the one that pays the bills.
Anyone who thinks there is no chance need only look back 12 months when suggesting Trump would win was just silly.
Pblakeney
Über Member
Maybe those sensible people within Reform should tell the nutters to fark right off?
Sorry, I had a moment there. 😉
Xipe Totec
Something nasty in the woodshed
Where you & I may see a hundred thousand drunken racist morons, bellowing abuse, attacking the police, vomiting & pissing in the street while they look for someone a bit brown to kick into a coma - Starmer sees only votes.
And theirs are the only votes he cares about.
briantrumpet
Guru
It's a pity he doesn't look behind him and McSweeney to see even more votes drifting away than the ones they are trying to woo.
