Starmer's vision quest

[briantrumpet]

So do you disagree with Mahmood that control of numbers is necessary? IMO effective control needs to involve not just streamlining the asylum seeking process but also following through on the decisions, and of course selling the benefits of immigration.

No. But forcefully repatriating people and potentially splitting up families 19 years after they've settled here isn't mere 'controlling numbers'.

Having read what Mahmood and Labour have said on the subject I must have missed it when they said that bit.

No, but by amplifying Reform by essentially agreeing with them risks handing them the power to do just that. They've been trying the Reform-lite message now since they came to power, and each poll puts them losing even more votes. They aren't going to win the argument against Reform's xenophobia by saying they agree with most of their points.

 

[Rusty Nails]

No. But forcefully repatriating people and potentially splitting up families 19 years after they've settled here isn't mere 'controlling numbers'.



No, but by amplifying Reform by essentially agreeing with them risks handing them the power to do just that. They've been trying the Reform-lite message now since they came to power, and each poll puts them losing even more votes. They aren't going to win the argument against Reform's xenophobia by saying they agree with most of their points.

The first bit I agree with. It is too harsh.

The second point is too vague. They may or may not agree with some of Reform’s wishes, I am sure they do not agree with all, but that does not mean they should not try to come up with a workable solution…which is their obligation as the party in government.

 

[briantrumpet]

The first bit I agree with. It is too harsh.

The second point is too vague. They may or may not agree with some of Reform’s wishes, I am sure they do not agree with all, but that does not mean they should not try to come up with a workable solution…which is their obligation as the party in government.

All agreed. But all that's getting the airtime at the moment are the bits that ape Reform. Mahmood is coming across as heartless (I assume to try and woo those non-existent Reformy-Labour voters, who are heartless) and not recognising the contribution migrants can and do make to the UK (because to do so would be to risk alienating those non-existent voters).

The longer they keep up this Reform noise, the more entrenched the schism becomes, and the more impossible the possibility of bridging the gap. The one certainty is that if Reform were to be in power, the gap wouldn't be bridged, and that would be even more catastrophic than were we are now.

 

[briantrumpet]

Right on cue...

 

[briantrumpet]

And here's the Folkestone MP who's saying essentially the same as me:

 

[Pblakeney]

And here's the Folkestone MP who's saying essentially the same as me:

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I did wonder this morning; all these people that are going to be doing the reviews? Why not use them for the initial applications?
It is all BS bluff and bluster.

 

[briantrumpet]

I did wonder this morning; all these people that are going to be doing the reviews? Why not use them for the initial applications?
It is all BS bluff and bluster.

Another example of politicians focusing on the tweet/headline rather than the actual process and practical outcomes.

 

[CXRAndy]

Angie baby is making a run at taking down Starmer.

But she needs to settle the stamp duty bill first

 

[Goonerobes]

They need to have a good long look at where they've ended up. They've bought into the bullshit conflation of illegal immigration and legal and beneficial migration - we're at the 'bloomin furriners' stage, and forgetting that they are humans just like us.

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Rhiannon Whyte was human just like us too. I say was because she's dead after being stabbed 23 times with a screwdriver by a "bloomin furriner".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgkpyr1ep4o

The main priority of any government is to protect its citizens & Rhiannons government failed to this so now a 6 year old boy has to grow up without his mother.

 

[briantrumpet]

Rhiannon Whyte was human just like us too. I say was because she's dead after being stabbed 23 times with a screwdriver by a "bloomin furriner".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgkpyr1ep4o

The main priority of any government is to protect its citizens & Rhiannons government failed to this so now a 6 year old boy has to grow up without his mother.

Any comment on all the horrific murders by white UK nationals? Or does one horrific murder by a black man justify treating all migrants as criminals?

 

[briantrumpet]

Stevo couldn't do a better job of making Labour totally toxic to the people who should be voting for it. Whoever it is 'on the inside' who's actually doing this must be on Reform's payroll.

 

[Pblakeney]

Stevo couldn't do a better job of making Labour totally toxic to the people who should be voting for it. Whoever it is 'on the inside' who's actually doing this must be on Reform's payroll.

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How to say you can't be bothered doing this anymore without saying you can't be bothered doing this anymore.

 

[briantrumpet]

What's that you say about Lord Glasman, admirer of Steve Bannon?

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1990004656341238194?t=GnPNSTzI3rD1z0ZWk37RIw&s=19

 

[BoldonLad]

Stevo couldn't do a better job of making Labour totally toxic to the people who should be voting for it. Whoever it is 'on the inside' who's actually doing this must be on Reform's payroll.

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Would you please elaborate on “people who should be voting for it”? (I am guessing “it” is the Labour Party?)