Starmer's vision quest

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If it's self evident then why have so many Prime Ministers entered Number 10 thinking that winning the election was the hard part and a!l they then had to do was roll out their program tor government to huge success?

It is because they are deluded and can't see the big picture, far less in a long term view.
It's just address (without fixing) whatever the issue of the day is and move on to tomorrows issue tomorrow. Mañana politics.
 
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Psamathe

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It is because they are deluded and can't see the big picture, far less in a long term view.
It's just address (without fixing) whatever the issue of the day is and move on to tomorrows issue tomorrow. Mañana politics.
Maybe from that they see their aim and asses their "success by getting elected. So they can start claiming the Government as "theirs" (as in speeches "My Government ...", "My Ministers ...").

They claim expertise to get our votes and only then do we find at best they were massively exaggerating, more normally they'd just got it wrong.
 
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Maybe from that they see their aim and asses their "success by getting elected. So they can start claiming the Government as "theirs" (as in speeches "My Government ...", "My Ministers ...").

They claim expertise to get our votes and only then do we find at best they were massively exaggerating, more normally they'd just got it wrong.

Mission accomplished from their point of view. A lifetime of PM pension and onto the dinner speech circuit.
Sorted.
 

midlandsgrimpeur

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There's a lot in that. The case that Cummins makes however is that the current structures simply don't work and are the reason why successive governments have become paralysed and departments like the NHS and Defence are just massive sink holes of spending that can't deliver despite the colossal sums going into them.

My issue with people like Cummings is that they were given the keys to the castle and spent their time pratting about in the moat! I don't necessarily disagree that huge public institutions need change, but he was solely preoccuopied with his own ideology rather than instigating any positive change.

I honestly don't believe the NHS and similar are sink holes (as in the money is not being lost/wasted), I think the issue is that they are no longer costed properly. They require huge sums of investment, with their true cost now far outstripping the spend. As such, the service for which they were intended can no longer be delivered and they end up looking far more inefficient than they are.
 

Shortfall

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My issue with people like Cummings is that they were given the keys to the castle and spent their time pratting about in the moat! I don't necessarily disagree that huge public institutions need change, but he was solely preoccuopied with his own ideology rather than instigating any positive change.

I honestly don't believe the NHS and similar are sink holes (as in the money is not being lost/wasted), I think the issue is that they are no longer costed properly. They require huge sums of investment, with their true cost now far outstripping the spend. As such, the service for which they were intended can no longer be delivered and they end up looking far more inefficient than they are.

I disagree. He recognised the reasons why government wasn't delivering for the people and he set about trying to change it. There is a huge amount of resistance, the problems are deep rooted, there are many vested interests and it can't happy overnight. Listen to the podcast and he explains it all better than I can. Whatever you think of Cummins no sane person can look at the state of the country and say "This is all working rather well but we could improve on it by having more government and spraying lots of borrowed money around without any reform" which is what we are currently stuck with.
 

C R

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I disagree. He recognised the reasons why government wasn't delivering for the people and he set about trying to change it. There is a huge amount of resistance, the problems are deep rooted, there are many vested interests and it can't happy overnight. Listen to the podcast and he explains it all better than I can. Whatever you think of Cummins no sane person can look at the state of the country and say "This is all working rather well but we could improve on it by having more government and spraying lots of borrowed money around without any reform" which is what we are currently stuck with.
Have you thought about a career in comedy?
 
Listen to the podcast. Leaving the EU wasn't a left/right issue btw

I did listen to the podcast.
It's Cummings blaming lawyers for his implosion as soon as he got near power.
A baldy Liz Truss
 
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Shortfall

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I did listen to the podcast.
It's Cummings blaming lawyers for his implosion as soon as he got near power.
A baldy Liz Truss

No he blames lots more than lawyers but I see we're not going to agree. Do you have any solutions to share with us? Is the party you voted delivering for you?
 
No he blames lots more than lawyers but I see we're not going to agree. Do you have any solutions to share with us? Is the party you voted delivering for you?

He blames everyone but Mr D Cummings.

The party I voted for has 1 MP
Neither the government nor the opposition stand in my constituency.
 
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