Starmer's vision quest
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AndyRM
Elder Goth
Yeah that's the crux of it I suppose. There are a lot of facets to the issue, and when you've got a lot of people believing the "problem" is a lot worse than it is, it's difficult to know what they're actually going or hoping to achieve.
Pross
Member
He's now making exactly the same mistake the Tories did under Cameron and allowing Farage to dictate government policy despite having next to no representation in parliament. In the case of Cameron the perceived threat of UKIP following some local election results ended up with the ill-fated Brexit vote. The subsequent fallout of that internally has effctively killed them off as a political force for the time being. Now Labour are panicking after the local elections and desperately trying to bring in a Reform friendly immigration policy. FFS show some backbone, you were elected with a huge majority less than a year ago by people desperate for the mess of the previous 8 years to be fixed. Do what you think is right instead of allowing a bunch of populist airbags to divert you into their agenda.
Dorset Boy
Regular
True it was a huge majority in terms of seats, but it was far, far from that in terms of votes cast. I suspect the decision makers in Labour are looking at votes cast and pooping themselves, whilst forgetting they should still have 4 years in office to do whatever they want.
classic33
Myself
Can't recall any UK political party ever looking at the turnout, only the percentage of votes they managed to get. That remains the same in Parish, Local and General elections.
Never do they ask themselves after the count why didn't the rest vote. Always blaming the people that didn't vote for their losses. When they start looking, and being honest with themselves, at why "the rest" didn't vote they can attempt to get to the root of the issue. Until then, they're fooling no-one but themselves.
If you're "selling" something you've got to get people to believe in it, before they'll take a chance on it. The alternate, big promises about what it can/will do, might be the chance they take.
briantrumpet
Well-Known Member
Agreed. The huge majority in parliament was in large part delivered (I suspect) by people like me who voted for whoever would GTTO (as long as the challenger wasn't Reform). But they are forgetting that as part of GTTO there was an expectation that Labour wouldn't just be like the Tories without the incompetence or dishonesty, and with an antidote to the xenophobic attitude to the EU, and more humane policies generally.
And it seems that they are overlooking the fragility of that huge parliamentary majority at the next election. With three parties all pitching their tents on Reform's lawn, and a gaping hole on the left-of-centre pitch, it's going to be a wild election, if Labour abandons its intellectual and historical roots entirely to satisfy the Daily Mail and Telegraph readers (who will never be satisfied anyway).
First Aspect
Active Member
It is a depressing piece of dog whistle politics. There are already staff shortages and vacancies aren't being filled by unemployed British people.
It's not a job many people can do, and even fewer people want to. I would need a lot of convincing that twisting the arms of a few more British people is the answer, or that a modest pay rise will help.
A big pay rise would. But who is going to pay?
Pross
Member
Sounds good to me, there are far too many old people being a drain on our finances
(Should probably add a smiley as some people can't work out tone without one)
Stevo 666
Well-Known Member
You don't think that the current level of net migration is an issue at all? To put it into perspective it is equivalent of adding a new 'Manchester' to the country every year.
First Aspect
Active Member
It's an issue, for us and many other western countries.
But restricting recruitment from abroad in an industry where there are already critical staffing shortages seems like an odd target.
Here Fido. Come.
CXRAndy
Guru
One of the lowest votes ever. But since no one could bring themselves to vote for Tories, the low turn out resulted in a huge majority for labour
CXRAndy
Guru
No government for decades has grasped the nettle. Stop bringing in cheap labour from abroad. Train the young and the able unemployed to do many semi and skilled work.
Sending everyone to university has devalued the degree, churns out many with pointless degrees and unable to do anything or get employment easily. Even the stop gap jobs are scarce because of cheap imported labour.
Every country needs a balance of manual workers and academics
Labour really don't seem to want to address the care crisis. Seems to me that im,proving the care situation would also be a massive help to the NHS. Improving care allowing patients who don't need to be in hospital to be discharges reduces NHS costs, helps reduce waiting lists (as there are beds for people after their operation) as well as avoiding ambulances spending a lot of their shifts waiting outside A&E and avoiding corridors blocked by emergency patients on trolleys.
Yet Labour only focus on the NHS and keep fsailing to recognise the care sector as having a major impact.
Their proposal for UK residents to become care workers will mean a significant increase in wage levels which will mean increasing costs for care which means Councils many of whom are alreay bancrupt finding more money, that or care providers going bust and closing down.
It's madness Labour have not thought through, as others have said "dog whistle politics" where the vulnerable aged will be suffering Starmer's ineptitude.
Ian
Pross
Member
What did the Tories do circa 2020 to create such a sharp rise (and why were you so happy with them for that)? It was pretty consistent at around 250k net prior to that.
