Starmer's vision quest

[C R]

Labour really don't seem to want to address the care crisis. Seems to me that im,proving the care situation would also be a massive help to the NHS. Improving care allowing patients who don't need to be in hospital to be discharges reduces NHS costs, helps reduce waiting lists (as there are beds for people after their operation) as well as avoiding ambulances spending a lot of their shifts waiting outside A&E and avoiding corridors blocked by emergency patients on trolleys.

Yet Labour only focus on the NHS and keep fsailing to recognise the care sector as having a major impact.

Their proposal for UK residents to become care workers will mean a significant increase in wage levels which will mean increasing costs for care which means Councils many of whom are alreay bancrupt finding more money, that or care providers going bust and closing down.

It's madness Labour have not thought through, as others have said "dog whistle politics" where the vulnerable aged will be suffering Starmer's ineptitude.

Ian

You wouldn't be so surprised if look at Streeting's list of donors.

 

[Pblakeney]

It's madness Labour have not thought through,

Successive governments have never solved any issues that require long term planning. Mostly because their term is 4 to 5 years.
Short term solutions are just bandaids to win the next election while the root of the problem remains.
I sometimes think some MPs are glad to be voted out and leave the problems to someone else.

 

[icowden]

What did the Tories do circa 2020 to create such a sharp rise (and why were you so happy with them for that)? It was pretty consistent at around 250k net prior to that.

This is what Gemini suggests:

• Initial Dip and Subsequent Rise:
  Net migration (the difference between immigration and emigration) dipped during 2020 and early 2021 due to the Covid-19 pandemic and travel restrictions. However, it then rebounded significantly, reaching record levels.
  
  
• Record Highs:
  The Office for National Statistics (ONS) revised its estimates upwards, showing a peak of just over 900,000 in net migration for the year ending June 2023.
  
  
• Factors Contributing to the Rise:
  • Brexit: The end of free movement for EU citizens led to an increase in non-EU migration.
    
    
  • Post-Pandemic Demand: Demand for study-related immigration had been "pent-up" during travel restrictions and then increased after the pandemic.
    
    
  • War in Ukraine: The war in Ukraine also contributed to increased immigration for humanitarian reasons.
    
    
  • Changes in ONS Methodology: The ONS has also refined its methods for compiling migration statistics, which may contribute to the revisions in the data

 

[First Aspect]

Well given a degree is 3 years and the pandemic was three years ago, I think we can safely ignore Gemini.

 

[First Aspect]

No government for decades has grasped the nettle. Stop bringing in cheap labour from abroad. Train the young and the able unemployed to do many semi and skilled work.

Sending everyone to university has devalued the degree, churns out many with pointless degrees and unable to do anything or get employment easily. Even the stop gap jobs are scarce because of cheap imported labour.

Every country needs a balance of manual workers and academics

You've just argued that to avoid importing cheap labour, we should educate fewer people so that they can be the cheap labour instead.

Genius level thinking.

 

[briantrumpet]

Well given a degree is 3 years and the pandemic was three years ago, I think we can safely ignore Gemini.

I'm not getting any less sceptical about 'AI'.

 

[CXRAndy]

You've just argued that to avoid importing cheap labour, we should educate fewer people so that they can be the cheap labour instead.

Genius level thinking.

There is a massive skills gap from trades people of all types. Not everyone is cut out for total academic studies.

The introduction of free movement with the EU and drive to send everyone to university has resulted in skills shortages

 

[Psamathe]

Successive governments have never solved any issues that require long term planning. Mostly because their term is 4 to 5 years.
Short term solutions are just bandaids to win the next election while the root of the problem remains.
I sometimes think some MPs are glad to be voted out and leave the problems to someone else.

I do wonder if given that Labour still have a fair term to run and given their majority unlikely to go early, plenty of time for the Care Crisis to get a lot worse from lack of carers, increasing costs on Councils, etc.

Ian

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/RealAlexJones/status/1921774836918976589?t=R31Q1iccqaUDdqIri8lHkQ&s=19

 

[Psamathe]

Why are we discussing Alex Jones. nb has he paid the families of the Sandy Hook Elementary School victims? How many court cases have been found against him/Infowars for publishing untrue allegations?

Ian

 

[AuroraSaab]

The Assisted Dying Bill - which was popular on here as I recall - is going to help sort out the care crisis.

 

[Psamathe]

The Assisted Dying Bill - which was popular on here as I recall - is going to help sort out the care crisis.

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I've no idea as I don't know the numbers but a lot of palliative care is not paid for by Gov./NHS (a lot of hospices are charitable organisations).

Ian

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Well there you go folks. No need to import foreign carers after the assisted dying bill is implemented. Nice to see these policies are fully thought through. Obviously, this could only be dreamt up by someone off his head on coke.

 

[Psamathe]

Is this Starmer's "Rivers of Blood" moment? Maybe "Island of Strangers" not quite the same but has a memorable "ring" to it and certainly relates to not accepting foreigners.

Ian

 

[briantrumpet]

Is this Starmer's "Rivers of Blood" moment? Maybe "Island of Strangers" not quite the same but has a memorable "ring" to it and certainly relates to not accepting foreigners.

Ian

It does seem to be a particularly inflammatory coinage, not a million miles away from Thatcher's 'no such thing as society'. Every time he does stuff like this, he recruits for Reform by validating their framing of the immigration debate.