Starmer's vision quest

[BoldonLad]

Cool list. Mostly made up of Charlie Hebdo victims.

Fundamentalist f*ckwits are gonna do what they're gonna do at the end of the day. Best not to be scared of them really, because that gives them power.

Very true, I just have a little task to do, I will be right behind you 😂

 

[AndyRM]

Very true, I just have a little task to do, I will be right behind you 😂

Gather your horse and weapons brother, Asgard awaits.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Is that Batley school teacher still in hiding?

 

[AndyRM]

Is that Batley school teacher still in hiding?

I believe so.

I'm guessing you've brought this up as an example of why we should be scared of criticising/mocking Islam?

Which the teacher didn't so there's that.

 

[CXRAndy]

Now there seems to be three young Ukrainian men 🤔

 

[CXRAndy]

I believe so.

I'm guessing you've brought this up as an example of why we should be scared of criticising/mocking Islam?

Which the teacher didn't so there's that.

No we should take proactive steps to ensure we can criticise any religion without fear.

 

[AndyRM]

No we should take proactive steps to ensure we can criticise any religion without fear.

OK, and what would these proactive steps look like, even vaguely?

Because anyone can criticise religion, and mock it.

 

[CXRAndy]

Clear legislation that protects free speech.

 

[AndyRM]

Clear legislation that protects free speech.

So, this then?

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1/part/I/chapter/9

 

[CXRAndy]

it needs clear definitions protecting anyone. And teeth to bite if anyone does threaten the person slagging off religion/religious views

Religionin all it's forms has caused so many problems.

 

[AndyRM]

it needs clear definitions protecting anyone. And teeth to bite if anyone does threaten the person slagging off religion/religious views

Religionin all it's forms has caused so many problems.

OK, how do you do that then? Because people are protected under the legislation I linked to.

I don't disagree with your last point.

Religion deserves to be mocked.

Frankie D put it best when he said that we have nothing to fear but fear itself.

 

[CXRAndy]

It's probably down to actual policing and the leadership failing to call out such behaviour.

These days everyone and anyone can be outraged, complaints fly for silly NCHI.

Tippy toe around the offended. Nobody stands up and if they do often they become the target.

We are in period of social media offending is bigger crime than actual physical crime

 

[Rusty Nails]

It's probably down to actual policing and the leadership failing to call out such behaviour.

These days everyone and anyone can be outraged, complaints fly for silly NCHI.

You tell them mate. These days you say you’re English and you’ll be arrested and thrown into jail.

 

[CXRAndy]

You tell them mate. These days you say you’re English and you’ll be arrested and thrown into jail.

Especially if you're white English 😲

 

[Psamathe]

Of course they were removed for the vast majority of pensioners

He's scrabbling to garner support. His own back bench were in revolt.

We all know it was the local elections that started the ball rolling

And a great result has been achieved. If only more politicians had the balls to say "you know what - I was wrong"

Trouble is:
1. He hasn't actually U-turned. He's just said that at some point they will do something, no indication as to whether that might affect 3 pensioners, 3000 or 3m nor if it's full restoration or partial.

2. He hasn't said he/Reeves were wrong. He's claiming that improvements in the economy are allowing them to do this (presumably the higher than expected borrowing, higher than expected inflation, etc. being the "better economy").

I think politically & strategically he's got it wrong (again). In not saying what they'll do nor when he hasn't actually stopped the outrage, just reactivated it. Pensioners struggling suffering cold don't know if or when they might be in any better situation so no relief.

It continually frustrates me that Labour MPs go on about how they've "given pensioners more through the triple lock" but that only helps their pension keep pace with inflation, doesn't "give them more", just maybe helps keep up with their vost of living increases. MPs seeing inflation based increases as "giving more" just highlights their failure to understand inflation.

Ian