Starmer's vision quest

[icowden]

So not just rape apologists
Paedophilia supporters too

Nope that is made up. It is no longer available online suggesting that someone suggested the Sun should delete it or be sued for defamation.

 

[Xipe Totec]

Nope that is made up. It is no longer available online suggesting that someone suggested the Sun should delete it or be sued for defamation.

But out there just long enough to become The Truth to those it was aimed at, which would be the entire point.

Right, MAGAndy?

 

[CXRAndy]

Starmer's sweetie give away going to cost you another £30bn in tax rises

🤣

Who is going to put their hand up and say they voted for this bunch of muppets?

 

[icowden]

Starmer's sweetie give away going to cost you another £30bn in tax rises

It's weird how not a single news outlet seems to have reported this?
Also - are tax rises necessarily bad? Discuss?

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

It's not just Ms Rayner but all of them failing to even try and answer the asked question. They seem to regard a TV interview as a platform for their Party Political Broadcast. Most people hate Party Political Broadcasts and most inverviewers are asking questions the viewers want to hear the answer to ... and when they don't get any answer maybe politician doesn't care, maybe doesn't understand or maybe the answer shows no justification, etc. all of which further reinforces that politics has failed and has no answers so why bother or maybe just vote for some disrupter.

Ian

I think it is a reflection of a much deeper malaise in society, blatant self protectionism. You see similar in many workplaces and in everyday situations, this kind of homogenised institutional approach where everyone tows the party line (so to speak) in order to keep the status quo and so individuals can protect their own position. In pretty much every place I have worked (especially amongst senior teams or 'leadership groups') they all parrot the same rhetoric, and if you break from that you risk being ostracised. What it has led to is a basic refusal for people to take responsibility for themselves, their action and opinions. If you veer away from the groupthink you are labelled a troublemaker. To bring this back to Labour, look at someone like Diane Abbott. Whether you agree with her or not, she refuses to stick to the script and has clearly been cut adrift by the wider party as a result.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

And to add a note on groupthink, the thing that makes me laugh the most about conspiracy theorists is the way they think that the rest of society all engage in it, whereas they are all these brilliant individual critical thinkers who gain some kind of secret insights into how the world 'really works', whilst they all actually are just parroting the same asinine theories they have garnered from X or some other batshit social media site.

 

[CXRAndy]

It's weird how not a single news outlet seems to have reported this?
Also - are tax rises necessarily bad? Discuss?

Err, yeah,

All governments pıss money away when it's not their hard earned

It's in the telegraph btw

 

[secretsqirrel]

I think it is a reflection of a much deeper malaise in society, blatant self protectionism. You see similar in many workplaces and in everyday situations, this kind of homogenised institutional approach where everyone tows the party line (so to speak) in order to keep the status quo and so individuals can protect their own position. In pretty much every place I have worked (especially amongst senior teams or 'leadership groups') they all parrot the same rhetoric, and if you break from that you risk being ostracised. What it has led to is a basic refusal for people to take responsibility for themselves, their action and opinions. If you veer away from the groupthink you are labelled a troublemaker. To bring this back to Labour, look at someone like Diane Abbott. Whether you agree with her or not, she refuses to stick to the script and has clearly been cut adrift by the wider party as a result.

Absolutely this. A mis-spoken word will break a career.
Also factor in that the RW outlets are slavering over Rayner, and will hang onto every word to try and skewer her over something no matter how trivial.
Didn’t see the interview with Kuenssberg but I suspect that she was trying a lot of leading questions which is her usual style and Rayner was having none of it.

 

[icowden]

It's in the telegraph btw

Has it been reported by an actual newspaper or media outlet yet? We keep explaining that the Telegraph is not a reliable news source, and there is no point sharing paywalled information.

 

[Pross]

Absolutely this. A mis-spoken word will break a career.
Also factor in that the RW outlets are slavering over Rayner, and will hang onto every word to try and skewer her over something no matter how trivial.
Didn’t see the interview with Kuenssberg but I suspect that she was trying a lot of leading questions which is her usual style and Rayner was having none of it.

I saw most of it and actually felt she dealt with things well. As you say, it was leading questions and she was mainly pointing out that the debates on topics are held behind closed doors and that it is for the relevant minister to make actual announcements e.g. on the winter fuel issue and 2 child benefit cap they are policies to be announced as part of a budget / mini budget. I actually found it refreshing after the previous Governments way of trialling policies through leaks and briefings then u-turning.

 

[CXRAndy]

Rachel's policies have reduced graduate job posts by 23% as employers cut back on vacancies

 

[Psamathe]

You see similar in many workplaces and in everyday situations, this kind of homogenised institutional approach where everyone tows the party line (so to speak) in order to keep the status quo and so individuals can protect their own position.

I agree except, one job I was approaching director level of a significant subsidiary in a very innovative company and a project meeting was rescheduled to take place in Group CEOs office ... and he attended and he more than participated and made some rather "controversial" suggestions followed by "And what does Ian think?" at times getting aggressive to the point where today it couldn't happen without risk of bullying accusations. And I of course defended myself, disagreed with his suggestions, etc. and it was all a test to make sure I wasn't a "yes person" who would just go along with consensus. Happened on several occasions. Successful company in its day and on can see why. Good people who would pursue good ideas and not be distracted when somebody questioned them.

Ian

 

[icowden]

All governments pıss money away when it's not their hard earned

So paying doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, police, firefighters, providing mental health services, emptying your bins, cleaning your streets, trimming your hedgerows etc etc

That's pissing way taxpayers money is it?

 

[CXRAndy]

There are certain basics, but there is vast sums wasted, lost through duplication, mismanagement and downright stupidity

 

[C R]

So paying doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, police, firefighters, providing mental health services, emptying your bins, cleaning your streets, trimming your hedgerows etc etc

That's pissing way taxpayers money is it?

Of course it is, that money is for de Pfeffel and Co to enjoy themselves. What are you, some kind of communist?