Starmer's vision quest

[secretsqirrel]

I'm a "leftie" and I condemn these tweets, just as I condemn the racist remarks of young Farage.

They were both a long time ago and neither (especially if those views have genuinely changed) deserve action as drastic as taking away citizenship or deportation. Presumably such action is not even legally possible for Farage.

It is not news that politics and political discussion is rife with hypocrisy, nor that people see it most in the faction they dislike the most.
There is also hypocrisy in this case from right wing politicians in that the Tories, when in power, supported the freedom and return of Fattah but now are condemning Starmer for carrying on what they started.

Priti Patel has been quiet.

 

[briantrumpet]

I'm simply suggesting an alternative strategy for when Starmer folds.
I can't help it if the population as a whole is gullible.

Well let's just hope (possibly against hope) that he doesn't fold, despite his 'red line' on animal welfare.

I'm sure it's biased, but even so...

https://www.sustainweb.org/news/feb18_us_foodpoisoning/

• The US reports higher rates of illness from foodborne illness than in the UK. Annually, 14.7% (48m) of the US population suffer from an illness, versus 1.5% (1m) in the UK. This is nearly ten times the percentage of population. [see note 3 below]
• The US reports higher rates of deaths from foodborne illness than in the UK. The annual death rate in the US is 3,000 per annum, versus 500 in the UK. [The US population is about 5 times the size of the UK.]
• The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report around 380 deaths in the US each year attributed to foodborne salmonella poisoning. The most recent epidemiological lab data from Public Health England, 2006 to 2015 shows no deaths in England and Wales from salmonella. Salmonella food poisoning is most commonly caused by consumption of contaminated food of animal origin, such as beef, chicken, milk, fish or eggs.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Priti Patel has been quiet.

Shhh. She might hear you and say something.

 

[Pross]

The tweets are truly disgusting, as was Farago’s behaviour in school. I can’t think of anybody who has condoned the tweets, I think they have been universally condemned.

Its the faux pearl clutching that is problem.

This plus only one of them has a realistic possibility of being our next PM and setting the policies of our country which make his opinions and views more of our concern.

 

[Pblakeney]

Well let's just hope (possibly against hope) that he doesn't fold, despite his 'red line' on animal welfare.

I'm sure it's biased, but even so...

https://www.sustainweb.org/news/feb18_us_foodpoisoning/

Let me put it another way. Do you think Starmer will stand up and downright refuse Donnie?
He'll go up in my estimation, by a long way, if he does but all evidence so far is to the contrary.

 

[briantrumpet]

Let me put it another way. Do you think Starmer will stand up and downright refuse Donnie?
He'll go up in my estimation, by a long way, if he does but all evidence so far is to the contrary.

I don't have much confidence, but I think the politics would be quite brutal for Starmer if he folds, given how hated Trump is and that British people do seem to care about animals (remember the horsemeat thing?)

 

[Pblakeney]

I don't have much confidence, but I think the politics would be quite brutal for Starmer if he folds, given how hated Trump is and that British people do seem to care about animals (remember the horsemeat thing?)

It will be brutal but if Donnie presses then he will fold. IMO.

 

[Psamathe]

I don't have much confidence, but I think the politics would be quite brutal for Starmer if he folds, given how hated Trump is and that British people do seem to care about animals (remember the horsemeat thing?)

Add the impact on domestic farmers. US farmers being given a significant competitive advantage being subject to far laxer standards.

 

[briantrumpet]

Add the impact on domestic farmers. US farmers being given a significant competitive advantage being subject to far laxer standards.

Exactly (ditto the Oz/NZ trade 'deal').

There would obviously be great enthusiasm from Tories and Reform to let in substandard food produce, as it would make the likelihood of any sort of alignment with the EU much more problematic.

 

[Dorset Boy]

This plus only one of them has a realistic possibility of being our next PM and setting the policies of our country which make his opinions and views more of our concern.

Odd that there was no condemnation of the tweets on here until I called people out on it earlier this evening. Just plenty of Magandy bashing , but no condemnation of the tweets.
I don't support Magandy's views on most things, but there has been classic diversionary stuff, failing to condemn the tweets but criticising the last government for starting the process of getting Al Fatah out of jail and then them complaining.

 

[Psamathe]

Re US Chicken Imports
Not a normal Trump "negotiation" technique but not uncommon in business to demand far more than you'll accept then "compromise" to something the other party would never have agreed to were you to negotiate trying to build-up to your real aim. eg compromise on UK taking hormone fed beef but not the chicken (unless UK already accepts US hormone fed beef - I'm vegetarian so don't follow imported meat rules as I avoid it all anyway).

 

[briantrumpet]

On the bright side, if we started importing Hershey's vomit-flavoured chocolate, it would make Cadbury's seem quite posh.

 

[Ian H]

Odd that there was no condemnation of the tweets on here until I called people out on it earlier this evening. Just plenty of Magandy bashing , but no condemnation of the tweets.
I don't support Magandy's views on most things, but there has been classic diversionary stuff, failing to condemn the tweets but criticising the last government for starting the process of getting Al Fatah out of jail and then them complaining.

Abd El-Fattah wrote "Looking at the tweets now – the ones that were not completely twisted out of their meaning – I do understand how shocking and hurtful they are, and for that I unequivocally apologise". He said that tweets allegedly showing homophobia and Holocaust denial were satires of such attitudes, and that he had fought for Egypt's LGBT and religious minority communities. The Home Office considered his apology "fairly fulsome". [wiki]

 

[briantrumpet]

The Home Office considered his apology "fairly fulsome". [wiki]

Pedant alert - I suspect that the Home Office doesn't know what 'fulsome' actually means in standard usage (or what was standard usage). 'Fulsome praise' is not a good thing.

 

[TailWindHome]

Odd that there was no condemnation of the tweets on here until I called people out on it earlier this evening.

Not really that odd.
No one had heard of him until 48 hours ago

His tweets aren't the story imho.