Starmer's vision quest

[Bromptonaut]

I'm not quite sure doing a few after dinner speeches counts as a second job. Politicians have done that for as long as I can remember.

I'm quite sure doing a bit of speaking at functions is not a second job.

 

[TailWindHome]

I've no issue in principle with MPs having additional jobs.
I'd prevent them from taking the proverbial by capping the permitted additional earnings at the same level as an MPs salary.

 

[Pross]

Come one Stevo, I had you down as right wing but at least capable of some critical thinking.

Firstly - this is an article in the Telegraph. A newspaper that regularly indulges in fiction to generate clicks.

She could now earn tens of thousands of pounds a year delivering addresses to corporate clients on politics and “leadership under pressure”.

Translation: We have no idea whether she is making money from speeches, how much money she is making from speeches, but we think that she might have charged someone for making a speech or be intending to charge someone for making a speech.

A little bit of googling would have shown you the actual (non) story. Angela Rayner has been approved by the Prime Minister's independent advisor on ministerial standards to become a paid speaker for Chartwell Speakers.

A little more would have shown that the reason for joining Chartwell appears to be that she had been asked to speak at an event for a Pensions Insurance Specialist and that they wanted to pay her via Chartwell. She says in her submission that she would speak occasionally at private events.

This then leads to the philosophical discussion about whether being paid occasionally to do after dinner speaking really constitutes a second job. Obviously some of the most critical politicians will be people like Nigel 12 Jobs Farage.

Note also that the Daily Mail went on the attack about the sheer hypocrisy of Rayner doing some speeches after they and other rags hounded her out of her cabinet post. They don't mention their own sheer hypocrisy in avoiding taxes and publishing misinformation.

Be fair, it's only 11 jobs. He may be taking an MP's salary but you can't accuse him of wasting precious time doing the job.

 

[Shortfall]

Always good to round off the week with a spot of leftie hypocrisy - makes a change from U-turns I guess.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...-speaking-gig-despite-attacks-mp-second-jobs/

Quote in case it's paywalled:
She could now earn tens of thousands of pounds a year delivering addresses to corporate clients on politics and “leadership under pressure”.

Ms Rayner faced accusations of hypocrisy on Thursday night over the new role, given that she has previously criticised MPs who have second jobs.

In March 2023, while deputy Labour leader, she posted online: “Being an MP isn’t a second job. It is the job. Labour will put an end to this racket.”

Come.on Stevo. It's perfectly ok for Rayner to behave exactly like the "Tory Scum" she used to criticise from the opposition benches. This is mostly because of reasons.

 

[Stevo 666]

Come.on Stevo. It's perfectly ok for Rayner to behave exactly like the "Tory Scum" she used to criticise from the opposition benches. This is mostly because of reasons.

It's the good old free leftie pass...

 

[Stevo 666]

Come one Stevo, I had you down as right wing but at least capable of some critical thinking.

Firstly - this is an article in the Telegraph. A newspaper that regularly indulges in fiction to generate clicks.

She could now earn tens of thousands of pounds a year delivering addresses to corporate clients on politics and “leadership under pressure”.

Translation: We have no idea whether she is making money from speeches, how much money she is making from speeches, but we think that she might have charged someone for making a speech or be intending to charge someone for making a speech.

A little bit of googling would have shown you the actual (non) story. Angela Rayner has been approved by the Prime Minister's independent advisor on ministerial standards to become a paid speaker for Chartwell Speakers.

A little more would have shown that the reason for joining Chartwell appears to be that she had been asked to speak at an event for a Pensions Insurance Specialist and that they wanted to pay her via Chartwell. She says in her submission that she would speak occasionally at private events.

This then leads to the philosophical discussion about whether being paid occasionally to do after dinner speaking really constitutes a second job. Obviously some of the most critical politicians will be people like Nigel 12 Jobs Farage.

Note also that the Daily Mail went on the attack about the sheer hypocrisy of Rayner doing some speeches after they and other rags hounded her out of her cabinet post. They don't mention their own sheer hypocrisy in avoiding taxes and publishing misinformation.

Read the quoted text and explain to me concisely why you think she isn't a hypocrite. Hopefully we can agree that she is a leftie...

What she is doing has been approved, but that's not the point: it is exactly the thing she was criticising others for doing.

 

[briantrumpet]

Here we go again: Operation Get Rayner. The obsession is quite something.

 

[Stevo 666]

Here we go again: Operation Get Rayner. The obsession is quite something.

I love a bit of leftie hypocrisy, just so happened that 'stamp duty' Ange was today's hypocrite. I'll keep an eye out for others if it makes you happy.

 

[Dorset Boy]

Here we go again: Operation Get Rayner. The obsession is quite something.

Rubbish.
She's just showing herself to be a massive hypocrite once again.

 

[Stevo 666]

Anyhow, for a bit of variety let's see what one of our lovely union bosses get up to in their spare time.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eddie-dempsey-ukraine-russia-rmt-b2901740.html

 

[Stevo 666]

Rubbish.
She's just showing herself to be a massive hypocrite once again.

First commandment of CCNCAP: thou shalt not criticise leftie politicians.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Read the quoted text and explain to me concisely why you think she isn't a hypocrite. Hopefully we can agree that she is a leftie...

What she is doing has been approved, but that's not the point: it is exactly the thing she was criticising others for doing.

Did she ever say that politicians should not be paid for speaking engagements? I have not found any instances of that.

Of course she is being a bit hypocritical but if this was a trait that makes holding a political role untenable then the Westminster benches would be empty. Following party lines and taking the Government Whip absolutely demands a level of hypocrisy.