Starmer's vision quest

[Cirrus]

Starmer’s bum must resemble a porcupine’s with all those splinters in it from sitting on the fence.

 

[TailWindHome]

I don’t get it sorry

Why's Starmer doing a press conference?

 

[TailWindHome]

Back your greatest ally

Alas, we have a snivelling shįt of a traitor prime minister who destroyed the special relationship by aligning with every enemy of the USA

Which countries is he aligning with which are 'enemies of the USA'?

 

[spen666]

Except there are no Chagossians on Chagos Islands

so if Trump forces the removal of the Greenlanders then.....

 

[Psamathe]

I do slightly despair at people's inability to read between lines of carefully chosen diplomatic/lawyerly words and phrases which are aimed at various targets who will infer different things. Especially when we can be 100% certain that there's lots of stuff that's being relayed by diplomatic channels out of earshot of the media or public.

The easy thing would be to blow the whole thing up in a collective fit of pique, with stuff that would temporarily satisfy an understandable desire to say just what you're thinking in response to a power-crazed senile madman with the capacity to blow up the world (quite literally), but leaving doors open and bridges unburned is what I'd prefer serious and sane leaders to do. Let's not start a world war or a global recession quite yet.

I think that you are 100% correct.
However, you have to take into account who he is delivering the message to. By that I mean Donnie and Project 2025. Subtle won't cut it.

I agree. Even if they are getting to those around Trúmp those people won't be telling Trümp anything he doesn't want to hear. And if they do tell Trůmp about the real world they'll probably have DoJ pursuing them through the courts for the rest of Trûmp's term in office.

I don't think getting the message to Trǔmp is too hard for Governments. The difficulty is getting Trũmp to pay any attention 'cos hurting other countries doesn't bother him. It's only if it causes pain back on the (wealthy) US that Trümp will pay any attention. Hence EU starting to talk about invoking their coercion measures makes a lot of sense. In the same way I think Starmer should have been far more "we are reviewing our options and will be talking before deciding on the best ..." is not excluding retaliatory actions as much as he did.

 

[Psamathe]

There was something on the news last night that the Europeans feel he knows how to deal with Trump and that they are keen for him to do the negotiating. Of course, that could just be because they want to keep at least a bargepoles length from Trump themselves and Starmer is an enthusiastic patsy for them.

I don't know how much trust there would be from the EU in terms of Starmer doing the negotiating. When it came to steel tariffs Starmer went in "Make UK Great Again" and just negotiated something for UK excluding EU from his considerations.

I also think the EU would consider it has more than capable negotiators plus it has a lot more economic clout - EU economy is not trivial to US business where are UK (alone) is.

Starmer sees himself as the bridge between Europe and the US, successfully brokering a deal and winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

I agree Starmer sees himself this way but I don't think the EU would.

 

[All uphill]

I'm usually optimistic, but

My view is that a lot (10,000?) of American service people arriving in one of the Greenland bases would cause a lot of huffing and puffing from other NATO countries, but no action.

If Trump then said that the USA was taking control of the whole territory I still don't see an effective way for NATO or the EU to push back.

In other words I think he can create a fair accompli

 

[Blazing Saddles]

I'm usually optimistic, but

My view is that a lot (10,000?) of American service people arriving in one of the Greenland bases would cause a lot of huffing and puffing from other NATO countries, but no action.

If Trump then said that the USA was taking control of the whole territory I still don't see an effective way for NATO or the EU to push back.

In other words I think he can create a fair accompli

Ironically the US used to have 10,000 personnel stationed on Greenland. They now have 200, which tells you all you need to know about this: it’s necessary for US security, excuse.
As usual with Trump it’s all about money.

I don’t think NATO countries necessarily have to anything, since NATO would effectively be terminated.
It’s more about whether Europe and Canada can form a new, effective defence force.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Ironically the US used to have 10,000 personnel stationed on Greenland. They now have 200, which tells you all you need to know about this: it’s necessary for US security, excuse.
As usual with Trump it’s all about money.

I don’t think NATO countries necessarily have to anything, since NATO would effectively be terminated.
It’s more about whether Europe and Canada can form a new, effective defence force.

With Putin snapping at the heels of Ukraine and potentially other European nations NATO is either going to have to either put up or shut up with Trump over Greenland or it encourages Putin who can sense their weakness.

European nations have got themselves into this position of weakness and reliance on the US over the last 30 years or so they have to a great extent brought it on themselves...the UK as much, if not more than, anyone else.

If Trump were to take over Greenland you would have to wonder what would be the point of Canada siding with NATO. Logically and sadly they would be drawn further under the influence of the US.

 

[Pblakeney]

Europe cannot help defend Greenland and Canada while helping Ukraine, especially so if the US pulls out of Ukraine including intel, which it certainly will. It is one or the other and we know which one it will be. Tough choices ahead. 😢 Adieu vieux amis.

 

[CXRAndy]

Starmer has hit no1 illegal immigrants overlord

 

[Psamathe]

Frustrating item on TV News this evening. Government Minister "doing the rounds" interviewed and they raised Mary Trump's advice which he rejected. Then almost next sentence he "I can't pretend to be inside Trümp's head ..."

Frustrating 'cos the sentence before he completely rejected somebody who is inside Trümp's head - Mary a family member (knows Donald, family background. etc.) and a professional Clinical Psychologist who can diagnose and knows how to deal with such conditions. Yet Starmer knows better.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Europe cannot help defend Greenland and Canada while helping Ukraine, especially so if the US pulls out of Ukraine including intel, which it certainly will. It is one or the other and we know which one it will be. Tough choices ahead. 😢 Adieu vieux amis.

Very true, but it cuts both ways. The US has benefited enormously from the intel supplied by MI6 and other intelligence agency. This is especially true in the after of the twin towers.
I am not saying we should stop sharing intel with the US, just can we trust them to reciprocate or even feed us false intel?

Perhaps it’s time we became more selective about what we pass on….

 

[Pblakeney]

Very true, but it cuts both ways. The US has benefited enormously from the intel supplied by MI6 and other intelligence agency. This is especially true in the after of the twin towers.
I am not saying we should stop sharing intel with the US, just can we trust them to reciprocate or even feed us false intel?

Once/if we fall out then sharing intel is finished.
PS - Donnie is also hoping that it won't come to that. He fully expects everyone to cave in and gift Greenland.