Starmer's vision quest

[secretsqirrel]

When was the last time a leadership challenge emerged within 18 months of a party being elected with a large majority?

Has Labour actually had a leadership challenge?

 

[Xipe Totec]

You can go out your bike whenever you like without having to vote. Or are you just not bright enough to express yourself clearly?

Language.

It's hard, right?

 

[briantrumpet]

The whole story is very clickbaity. Politician has ambitions *shock horror*, Burnham stated he wanted to be PM one day, many years ago. He is not the only one. He might well get there eventually, Starmer is not there forever obviously.
In the meantime Streeting has ambition and Rayner, Miliband, Mahmood, might all become leader before Burnham. The joyous speculation!

It’s business as usual in Westminster world.

Yup, Westminster reporters and their publications love leadership conspiracies and whipping everyone into a frenzy over them. That's never going to change, regardless of the colour of the rosette.

 

[briantrumpet]

I think this is roughly where I'm at, from what I've read. I think Burham probably has quite a big ego, which I don't think is Starmer's problem.

 

[Pross]

I think this is roughly where I'm at, from what I've read. I think Burham probably has quite a big ego, which I don't think is Starmer's problem.

View attachment 12607

Changing your mind on a whim or due to internal polling seems to be perfect to be a PM, we've had it for years now.

 

[Stevo 666]

Has Labour actually had a leadership challenge?

Add the word 'attempted' and let me know. Because its clearly what Burnham was trying to do.

 

[Stevo 666]

Language.

It's hard, right?

For you, it would appear that way

 

[Xipe Totec]

For you, it would appear that way

I suppose you guys always have to have the last word, don't you?

Even if you don't know what it means. Bless.

 

[Stevo 666]

I suppose you guys always have to have the last word, don't you?

Even if you don't know what it means. Bless.

Not always, just sometimes. But well done for trying to be patronising, a spot of inverse snobbery always brightens up a dull Monday 😉

 

[classic33]

I think Burnham probably got it wrong. There was no guarantee that he'd win the by-election and Labour could well have lost the mayorship.
Add in the leadership challenge and Starmer had no choice. Not that it will make Starmer any safer.

His seat as elected mayor would have been safe, had he stood and lost. Only if he stood and won, would he have had to stand down.

The only reason he wasn't allowed to was due to internal party policies.

 

[Psamathe]

I think this is roughly where I'm at, from what I've read. I think Burham probably has quite a big ego, which I don't think is Starmer's problem.

View attachment 12607

Although there is a contrary argument in that nobody at that time appreciated what a disaster a McSweeney/Glassman Government would be and his change of position is to try and rescue us all.

 

[briantrumpet]

Although there is a contrary argument in that nobody at that time appreciated what a disaster a McSweeney/Glassman Government would be and his change of position is to try and rescue us all.

That's a fair POV, especially if you are a Messiah.

 

[Psamathe]

That's a fair POV, especially if you are a Messiah.

I'm no supporter of Burnham (don't know enough about his policies) but I do think his actions need to be considered in the light of his target audience. He might appear petulant and hubristic but maybe his target audience would interpret it differently.

eg he might easily have contrived the "I heard from the press not the Party" by making sure he didn't/couldn't answer his phone or check e-mails because it seems to be too frequent these days and often causes outcry and maybe across his target it would invoke a more sympathetic response.

 

[Pblakeney]

His seat as elected mayor would have been safe, had he stood and lost. Only if he stood and won, would he have had to stand down.

The only reason he wasn't allowed to was due to internal party policies.

Internal party policies are what determined my opinion, and post.

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/i/status/2015502565299888419