Starmer's vision quest

[icowden]

if they are its either to one side or the other.

No - it's on both sides.

It defies logic to suggest in constituencies people are voting one way, but nationally they are voting another way. People only vote in their constituencies

Some people voted for Labour in my constituency. The Labour candidate didn't win, and had no chance of winning. Do you think their votes and support are meaningless?

 

[Pblakeney]

Maybe he was a GTTO voter, because he objected to the levels of taxation and immigration the Tories had arrived at, but didn't think that Reform would get enough seats to GTTO.

It is likely more simple than that. He is just backing the favourite while hoping for favours in return.
While not actually caring about such frivolities as manifestoes as he is in Monaco. Zero cares given for principles.

 

[spen666]

Private Eye

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AVxd66os8/

 

[spen666]

Some people voted for Labour in my constituency. The Labour candidate didn't win, and had no chance of winning. Do you think their votes and support are meaningless?

No idea what your logic is there

It seems unrelated to anything I have said or think

 

[BoldonLad]

But we keep getting told that Labour are not losing many voters to reform, but are losing far more to the Greens and Lib Dems. Your explanation would worsen her position in her constituency if this is true


Also, even if your reason is true, it doesn't read well to hear a Labour MP calling out a Labour PM

I have said before, several times, in this area, there were very few voters who were NOT Labour.

Conservative voters were almost unheard of, even Lib Dems and Greens were almost unheard of. In the past two years, Reform mainly, but Greens also, have surged. The "defectors" must be disgruntled Labour Voters, since any other type of voter was on the endangered species list!

Social media is full of hysterical outbursts from, Labour supporters, criticising Reform, they are actually giving them free exposure, but, they seem unable to see it.

In Ms Buck's Constituency (which is definitely one of the "left behind"), there is a particular issue at the moment with the proliferation of HMOs. This is not particularly an MP issue, being mainly under the control of the Local Authority (Labour for the past 100 year approximately, and, for most of that time 100% Labour, but, currently near a tipping point). But, in people's minds Labour has let them down, yet again, the fine distinction between National and Local issues is lost in the red mist.

Certainly, if I were Ms Buck, I would be revisiting my CV pronto.

Ms Buck is not my Constituency MP by the way, although, I was born in South Shields, and lived there for my first 20 years, and, after living and working in many places, I now life approximately 4 miles from South Shields (although I avoid actually going there).

 

[briantrumpet]

It is likely more simple than that. He is just backing the favourite while hoping for favours in return.
While not actually caring about such frivolities as manifestoes as he is in Monaco. Zero cares given for principles.

Could have been both. Win-win, in his mind. Loyalty, even to a country, means nothing to him... rather "What's in it for me?"

 

[BoldonLad]

You are trying to conflate constituency voting intention with national voting intention.

South Shields is a traditionally safe Labour seat, but demographically has an aging population and scores high on the deprivation. We know that Reform do well with the elderly and with the poorly educated - presumably as they are most likely to believe the tosh that comes out of Reform's propaganda.

This is one reason why there is such a problem for Labour. They are losing their centrist votes to Lib Dem and Green and their most left wing, traditionally industrial votes to Reform because of the poor way that immigration is perceived in those cities, and the lack of support for traditionally left wing policies.

Is Ms Buck's Constituency significantly different, demographically, to most of the previously industrial North, or, indeed, to Greater London, or the South East in general, for example? It would not surprise me to find that education levels are inferior, but, age profile, I doubt if it is significantly different.

 

[icowden]

Is Ms Buck's Constituency significantly different, demographically, to most of the previously industrial North, or, indeed, to Greater London, or the South East in general, for example? It would not surprise me to find that education levels are inferior, but, age profile, I doubt if it is significantly different.

Just going on what google told me:-

Ageing Population: The population is aging, with a significant 25.8% increase in residents aged 65–74 between 2011 and 2021

https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/censusareachanges/E08000023/

The number of people aged 65 to 74 years rose by just over 3,500 (an increase of 25.8%), while the number of residents between 35 and 49 years fell by around 4,200 (13.7% decrease).

 

[Pblakeney]

Is Ms Buck's Constituency significantly different, demographically, to most of the previously industrial North, or, indeed, to Greater London, or the South East in general, for example? It would not surprise me to find that education levels are inferior, but, age profile, I doubt if it is significantly different.

If I was from the previously industrial north then I would find that post very offensive.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Pinarello

If I was from the previously industrial north then I would find that post very offensive.

Why? Isn't it true that educational standards and the quality of education varies between regions, usually based on the wealth and variety of employment available in different regions?

 

[BoldonLad]

Just going on what google told me:-

https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/censusareachanges/E08000023/

I don’t see anything there which suggests the South Shields Constituency has a significantly different age profile.

 

[Pblakeney]

Pinarello


Why? Isn't it true that educational standards and the quality of education varies between regions, usually based on the wealth and variety of employment available in different regions?

I does, and if you have stats then that's fine, but a blind assumption based on location is not.

 

[BoldonLad]

If I was from the previously industrial north then I would find that post very offensive.

As Rusty has already said, inequalities in education are often quoted in official statistics. If the truth offends you, would you prefer I don’t mention it?

 

[CXRAndy]

Cabinet secretary Chris Wormald steps down as Keir Starmer loses top aide from No 10

Another head to save starmer

 

[Rusty Nails]

I does, and if you have stats then that's fine, but a blind assumption based on location is not.

I doubt that Boldon Lad doesn't know about the location and its issues.