Starmer's vision quest
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bobzmyunkle
Veteran
Some may have used those or similar words, in other cases you might be misinterpreting.
Large numbers of people voted Reform on Thursday. Reform will not improve any aspect of there lives. Therefore their behaviour is stupid.
I guess you can interpret that as - in my opinion, I know better than the masses.
Psamathe
Legendary Member
From what I can see reported (so far anyway) it was a pretty useless speech.
I've no idea about the delivery (enthusiasm, passion, etc.) but content seems pretty missing other than his being critical of the Government pre-today (ie himself).
I suspect that were the Council elections to re-run tomorrow the outcome would be the same (or worse) for Labour.
I've no idea about the delivery (enthusiasm, passion, etc.) but content seems pretty missing other than his being critical of the Government pre-today (ie himself).
- Nationalise British Steel - is that really going to make the electorate change their mind.
- Not ruling out in a subsequent manifesto maybe (maybe not) considering the possible option to reconsider if we should or should not think about maybe rejoining the Single Market - That sort of pace and my grandchildren won't get any change.
- Not ruling out Burnham standing as an MP (but also not ruling in given he controls the NEC).
I suspect that were the Council elections to re-run tomorrow the outcome would be the same (or worse) for Labour.
Stevo 666
Guru
You could say the same about people who voted Labour at the last GE. What does that tell you, oh wise one? 🙂
bobzmyunkle
Veteran
Did you vote Reform Stevo? You'd be ideally placed to explain the logic. A bit like those vox pop things the BBC are so fond of.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Steel seems to be as totemic as fishing in the UK psyche: pretty piddlingly small, but get loads of attention.
OTOH, the university sector is worth about £250bn, and yet (partly because it attracts a lot of foreign students) it's being allowed to fall into pretty serious crisis without any real attention.
bobzmyunkle
Veteran
Is it not because it's necessary to have a steel source for defense security?
briantrumpet
Timewaster
I think that's the stated reason, but I genuinely wonder how much UK steel is used and is crucial to UK-produced 'defence' materiel. I'd have hoped that European steel would always be available to UK defence manufacturers. If not, we're cooked anyway.
icowden
Pharaoh
Yes, in a nutshell.
Steve Reed, a noted Holocaust denier is now an elected councillor.
Reform said in February that there was no place in Reform for those who perpetrate violence against women and girls.
In May, David Barker was elected in Sunderland despite beating his ex-partner black and blue (convicted - ABH) and abusing his child whilst under the influence of drugs. Stuart Prior was elected councillor in Essex and Rochford (apparently has now stood down) despite celebrating Sikh women being raped. Glen Gibbons is now an elected Councillor in Sunderland (suspended) despite suggesting melting down Nigerians to fill pot holes.
Good luck if you elected Reform councillors. They aren't going to save you money, mostly because half of them will have had to quit over the next few months.
Pblakeney
Squire
Steel is easy to source and import. High quality steel is expensive to produce and harder to source. If you require a reliable source then it would be advisable to produce your own, or at least have a source that you have control over.
I have experience of this in that one company I worked for bought imported certified components that failed testing. Turned out that the steel was not up to grade therefore the certificates had been falsified. Caveat emptor.
C R
Legendary Member
Same here. And it was fairly straightforward to prove that the grade of steel was not what had been specified. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. And not just for steel. The worst I have seen was counterfeit microcontroller ICs, we had to dissolve the plastic body to expose the silicon to show the they were not genuine.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Sadiq Khan in the Graun. He's not wrong. Starmer is.
Psamathe
Legendary Member
Also 14.05 BST Sadiq Khan backs Burnham being allowed to stand as byelection candidate so he can return to Commons.
Trouble is, given that in effect Starmer is in charge of the NEC and Burnham would only be coming back to Westminster to challenge for the leadership so Starmer lets Burnham stand in election and he's in effect announcing a leadership election.
And if doing that because of widespread dissatisfaction amongst MPs he must know that he stands makes the entire thing no more than a vote of confidence.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
I think Khan is wrong about Burnham, especially after how well Reform did in Manchester.
