Starmer's vision quest

[briantrumpet]

From The Times, with usual caveat about rumours.

It'll come to no surprise to you that I'd like her and her Reformy policies banished, but given her disloyalty, and these reported qualms, why not kill two birds with one stone – sack her and announce a change in focus – and thereby signal the change in course that the PLP was promised? Doing 'the same but harder' is not a change in course, and the disappointment felt by the PL is entirely of Starmer's own doing.

 

[First Aspect]

From The Times, with usual caveat about rumours.

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It'll come to no surprise to you that I'd like her and her Reformy policies banished, but given her disloyalty, and these reported qualms, why not kill two birds with one stone – sack her and announce a change in focus – and thereby signal the change in course that the PLP was promised? Doing 'the same but harder' is not a change in course, and the disappointment felt by the PL is entirely of Starmer's own doing.

Labour will eventually U-turn on normal government policy, and stick to something initially announced.

 

[wakemalcolm]

I'm presuming that Streeting doesn't have the numbers. If he did he'd be contemplating challenging rather than resigning, no?

Is resignation not a means of making Starmer's position untenable? WS can focus on hoovering up the Starmerites once he's gone.

I'd hazard that if Starmer set out a timetable, the extremist ends of the media would 'lame duck' him into making that timetable as brief as possible. The last thing they (& possibly WS) want is time for Burnham to challenge.

Of course when the new person comes in it's: you have no mandate etc etc rinse and repeat.

 

[Psamathe]

What I find disappointing and how the issues are not being addressed, Starmer's big reset (Monday)

"Incremental change won't cut it on growth, defence, Europe, energy - we need a bigger response than we anticipated in 2024 because these are not ordinary times."

Which with the EU seems to mean a food and drink safety agreement, known as SPS, a carbon emissions trading agreement, and a youth experience scheme. Is the electorate going to change their minds on Starmer when he delivers a phytosanitary agreement with the EU? or when a select few kids manage a brief stay in EU outside 90/180? I see what Starmer is proposing as stretching even "incremental".

 

[Psamathe]

I'm presuming that Streeting doesn't have the numbers. If he did he'd be contemplating challenging rather than resigning, no?

Is resignation not a means of making Starmer's position untenable? WS can focus on hoovering up the Starmerites once he's gone.

I don't know the formal procedures or rules but my guess is if a Minister is going to challenge for the leadership they have to resign as they are making a clear statement that they no longer support the current Government.

I think any challenge would be delayed until tomorrow irrespective of numbers due to the golden "rule" that you (Parliament) don't embarrass the King and a resignation close to the King's speech would be seen as an embarrassment (given it's the King's Government).

 

[briantrumpet]

Labour will eventually U-turn on normal government policy, and stick to something initially announced.

I still don't understand how Starmer learnt the wrong lesson from Gorton & Denton, when he said some less Reformy things, got quite a lot of "Thank god for that!" feedback, then decided that no, Reform was the way to go. Someone needs to reprogramme him to release him from the McSweeney Blue Labour doom-loop. It's like Brexit - keeps on failing, but the only reason it's failing is because it hasn't yet been done properly (rather than the project being inherently doomed).

 

[laurentian]

Not that I'm missing him in any way but surely this public demise of Starmer is MAGAndy's time to shine . . .

 

[Shortfall]

There's a crisis coming, ive said that too...but the idea that this government 'took the economy to the brink' is bollocks

Well I beg to differ but it matters not, whenever it comes it's gonna be painful.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Not that I'm missing him in any way but surely this public demise of Starmer is MAGAndy's time to shine . . .

Has he gone anywhere?

 

[First Aspect]

Has he gone anywhere?

He might have violated his parole.

 

[BoldonLad]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1e2n923v1lt

“full confidence” is not usually a good option

 

[Shortfall]

He might have violated his parole.

His last post was 5th May. Wasn't somebody reporting him to Prevent though? Maybe he's been banged up?

 

[Rusty Nails]

His last post was 5th May. Wasn't somebody reporting him to Prevent though? Maybe he's been banged up?

Nah…that’s just for poor people without top lawyers.

 

[BoldonLad]

His last post was 5th May. Wasn't somebody reporting him to Prevent though? Maybe he's been banged up?

No such luck

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I still don't understand how Starmer learnt the wrong lesson from Gorton & Denton, when he said some less Reformy things, got quite a lot of "Thank god for that!" feedback, then decided that no, Reform was the way to go. Someone needs to reprogramme him to release him from the McSweeney Blue Labour doom-loop. It's like Brexit - keeps on failing, but the only reason it's failing is because it hasn't yet been done properly (rather than the project being inherently

I can't work out whether he just doesn't understand politics/is completely inflexible/can't de-programme the doom loop (as you say), or is just a combination of all three. As with your post on Mahmood's policy, I really don't think he believes in this stuff, but his apparent refusal to now dissociate from it is baffling. He keeps getting opportunities to change tack but just can't seem to grasp the fact of what possibilities to improve his situation are in front of him.