Sultana Corbyn party...

[Rusty Nails]

So if the vote on the left is split, and the vote on the right is split...

Does that mean it's Davey Time?

Clowns to the left of him, jokers to the right...it may as well be. Couldn't do much worse.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

That's the problem with "extremes", whether extreme left, right or extreme centrists.

I quite like the idea of an extreme centrist, I think they used to be called 'Blairites'.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

So if the vote on the left is split, and the vote on the right is split...

Does that mean it's Davey Time?

For all the talk of the growth of Reform, the LD's are getting overlooked. There seems to be this idea that many disillusioned with Labour will veer right, but it seems to ignore the socially progressive centrists that voted Labour and may switch in future (and may be quite sizeable in number).

 

[bobzmyunkle]

but it seems to ignore the socially progressive centrists

LD may well be socially progressive, but economically they are far from progressive. My memory isn't what it was but I don't have difficulty remembering the LD role in Osborne's austerity.
And look who contributed to this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orange_Book

 

[Stevo 666]

So if the vote on the left is split, and the vote on the right is split...

Does that mean it's Davey Time?

Don't be such a pessimist.

 

[Stevo 666]

So wait, they are arguing about the rules they agreed upon for arguing?

I mean, this is like that local council meeting that went viral during COVID isn't it?

The phrase about piss ups and breweries springs to mind. Probably one for the 'Good news only' thread.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

LD may well be socially progressive, but economically they are far from progressive. My memory isn't what it was but I don't have difficulty remembering the LD role in Osborne's austerity.
And look who contributed to this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orange_Book

Fair point but I still imagine there is a decent sized group who voted Labour either tactically or for a change who are still alienated by tye Tories and are unimpressed with Labour. I guess if you see yourself like this you go LD or green, even if economically you are right of centre.

 

[First Aspect]

The phrase about piss ups and breweries springs to mind. Probably one for the 'Good news only' thread.

Have they at least agreed that Zara has the *right* to have a baby?

 

[Stevo 666]

Have they at least agreed that Zara has the *right* to have a baby?

I'm imagining the sort of conversations they're having just now.


View: https://youtu.be/WboggjN_G-4?si=BH7JAv0WwxeFeagv

 

[Stevo 666]

Fair point but I still imagine there is a decent sized group who voted Labour either tactically or for a change who are still alienated by tye Tories and are unimpressed with Labour. I guess if you see yourself like this you go LD or green, even if economically you are right of centre.

I have a feeling that is more said in hope than anything else.

Although the Greens just look like Corbynistas with an extra bit of eco stuff tacked on.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I have a feeling that is more said in hope than anything else.

Although the Greens just look like Corbynistas with an extra bit of eco stuff tacked on.

Possibly, but I think there is some logic to the argument. I don't disagree with the idea that has been banded about that Labour's vote last year was "a mile wide but an inch deep". I think this was a lot to do with tactical votes and centrists (including disillusioned centre right Tory voters) wanting a new govt and creating a large but shallow pool. These voters aren't going to vote Reform and unlikely to go back to the Conservatives (if they voted for them pre switching votes). You could therefore argue they are most likely to go LD/green, assuming they don't vote Labour again.

Obviously, the key issue is whether there are enough such people to make a difference to a GE result.

 

[briantrumpet]

Possibly, but I think there is some logic to the argument. I don't disagree with the idea that has been banded about that Labour's vote last year was "a mile wide but an inch deep". I think this was a lot to do with tactical votes and centrists (including disillusioned centre right Tory voters) wanting a new govt and creating a large but shallow pool. These voters aren't going to vote Reform and unlikely to go back to the Conservatives (if they voted for them pre switching votes). You could therefore argue they are most likely to go LD/green, assuming they don't vote Labour again.

Obviously, the key issue is whether there are enough such people to make a difference to a GE result.

It's going to be a lottery on a constituency-by-constituency basis. I'll probably be trying to make the best guess as to who is the least worst with the most likelihood of keeping out the worstest. It's not how democracy should work. Must admit I'm coming round the the idea of ranked voting, given the absolute mess of parties at the moment.

 

[Psamathe]

For a group that claims they share the same ideological principles and refer to each other as 'comrade', the more extreme left in this country don't ever seem to agree on much.

I regard Corbyn as a dreadful leader. He has other strengths but like too many politicians he seeks to be in charge rather than do what he does best, policy.

Add that those in the top group setting up are probably largely Corbyn fanatics I can see others being exclude, even excluding anybody who isn't part if their Corbyn tribe even those who eg initiated the party that Corbyn then considered and after a bit decided to join.

I think it doesn't look good for the party and maybe it will develop into an exclusively Corbyn party.

But however well or badly it goes good effect is it's taken more left wing voters away from Labour and if Fruit & Nut doesn't meet their expectations then they'll have a good look at Greens and many might move there.

 

[Stevo 666]

Possibly, but I think there is some logic to the argument. I don't disagree with the idea that has been banded about that Labour's vote last year was "a mile wide but an inch deep". I think this was a lot to do with tactical votes and centrists (including disillusioned centre right Tory voters) wanting a new govt and creating a large but shallow pool. These voters aren't going to vote Reform and unlikely to go back to the Conservatives (if they voted for them pre switching votes). You could therefore argue they are most likely to go LD/green, assuming they don't vote Labour again.

Obviously, the key issue is whether there are enough such people to make a difference to a GE result.

Have a look at the opinion polls: they should give you an idea, even if ithey won't cheer you up much.

 

[Stevo 666]

I regard Corbyn as a dreadful leader. He has other strengths but like too many politicians he seeks to be in charge rather than do what he does best, policy.

Add that those in the top group setting up are probably largely Corbyn fanatics I can see others being exclude, even excluding anybody who isn't part if their Corbyn tribe even those who eg initiated the party that Corbyn then considered and after a bit decided to join.

I think it doesn't look good for the party and maybe it will develop into an exclusively Corbyn party.

But however well or badly it goes good effect is it's taken more left wing voters away from Labour and if Fruit & Nut doesn't meet their expectations then they'll have a good look at Greens and many might move there.

I suppose the nutters have to go somewhere and it's better that they go to a wasted vote party rather than Labour.