Sultana Corbyn party...

[Psamathe]

…as we will find out if Reform get into power in a coalition with the Tories.

Maybe different thread but despite the protestations of both parties about "no deals" both Conservative and Reform would leap in to coalition together if they could form a majority coalition, both desperate for power and probably more than surprised the opportunity had arrisen.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Maybe different thread but despite the protestations of both parties about "no deals" both Conservative and Reform would leap in to coalition together if they could form a majority coalition, both desperate for power and probably more than surprised the opportunity had arrisen.

The big problems with working together will be caused by egos. Neither Badenoch nor Farage would countenance not being leader.

 

[Pblakeney]

The big problems with working together will be caused by egos. Neither Badenoch nor Farage would countenance not being leader.

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Psamathe]

The big problems with working together will be caused by egos. Neither Badenoch nor Farage would countenance not being leader.

I agree ... but power, in their sweaty grubby hands. Frárage having watched all the insider massively profitable deals Trûmp's got (allegedly) from power, lucrative to extreme.

Could either manage to say no whilst as you say could either say yes.

Let's bug the room now ready for the "negotiations ".

 

[Ian H]

The big problems with working together will be caused by egos. Neither Badenoch nor Farage would countenance not being leader.

Except that, as soon as Farage got a hint of having to take real responsibility, he'd bugger off and form another party.

 

[Pblakeney]

I agree ... but power, in their sweaty grubby hands. Frárage having watched all the insider massively profitable deals Trûmp's got (allegedly) from power, lucrative to extreme.

Could either manage to say no whilst as you say could either say yes.

Let's bug the room now ready for the "negotiations ".

There is no "allegedly" about it.

 

[Pinno718]

Which is why it's been so nuts for Labour to be electioneering for the Reform vote from day one, rather than just fixing stuff and trying to 'change the narrative' on the EU and immigration, so that the economic benefits could have been felt by 2029.

Asylum seeker numbers are down. Asylum seekers in hotels are down by 30%. The economy grew more than expected. NHS waiting lists are shorter.
I don't understand - they are fixing things. Maybe not as quick as you like but they are.
We're hardly going to get a sudden boom in the face of Brexit, cost of living and fuel price hikes. No govt. can offer fast and instant fix.
Yes I agree they need to change the narrative but the myopic and tunnel visioned public are seemingly unable to see a broader picture.

 

[briantrumpet]

Asylum seeker numbers are down. Asylum seekers in hotels are down by 30%. The economy grew more than expected. NHS waiting lists are shorter.
I don't understand - they are fixing things. Maybe not as quick as you like but they are.
We're hardly going to get a sudden boom in the face of Brexit, cost of living and fuel price hikes. No govt. can offer fast and instant fix.
Yes I agree they need to change the narrative but the myopic and tunnel visioned public are seemingly unable to see a broader picture.

The thing is that they could be detoxifying the debate on immigration with this news. Somewhere between 'no controls on immigration' and Reformy 'send them all back to somewhere (preferably hostile)' is a pragmatic compromise, and it's not where Mahmood's retrospective change and glee is, which only reinforces that "immigration = bad".

It's an open door now, but Labour seems to be walking right past it.

 

[Beebo]

The thing is that they could be detoxifying the debate on immigration with this news. Somewhere between 'no controls on immigration' and Reformy 'send them all back to somewhere (preferably hostile)' is a pragmatic compromise, and it's not where Mahmood's retrospective change and glee is, which only reinforces that "immigration = bad".

It's an open door now, but Labour seems to be walking right past it.

Maybe a change of leadership will help with that.
But I just think they are up against the right wing press and skewed public opinions

 

[briantrumpet]

But I just think they are up against the right wing press and skewed public opinions

They will always be up against that, but they shouldn't forever let that stop them doing stuff that would benefit the UK, not least financially. The data is there to show the contribution immigration makes to the UK (and how it will be desperately needed in the future), and they Government should be repeatedly shouting the positive data from the rooftops, as too many people still think it's still getting worse. If they were feeling very generous, they could even credit the Tories with having made changes that started the improvement.

 

[Pblakeney]

Maybe a change of leadership will help with that.
But I just think they are up against the right wing press and skewed public opinions

A) No.
B) Yes.

 

[Pinno718]

Maybe a change of leadership will help with that.
But I just think they are up against the right wing press and skewed public opinions

Like it always has been. The boring and entirely necessary grind of government doesn't sell headlines.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Like it always has been. The boring and entirely necessary grind of government doesn't sell headlines.

This. I think it was Bridget Phillipson on the radio the other day who said “politics is fast but government is slow”. This is amplified now by the speed of comms via social media. Government process cannot move fast enough, but would we really want it to? I’m not really wanting short cuts and executive orders banging off, that’s for emergencies only.

 

[briantrumpet]

This. I think it was Bridget Phillipson on the radio the other day who said “politics is fast but government is slow”. This is amplified now by the speed of comms via social media. Government process cannot move fast enough, but would we really want it to? I’m not really wanting short cuts and executive orders banging off, that’s for emergencies only.

Doesn't sell newspapers or clicks though...

 

[secretsqirrel]

Doesn't sell newspapers or clicks though...

Oh we have Angie for that.