The NACA Music, Art & General Creativity Thread

[briantrumpet]

Polynesian? 1000BC?

It's either that or the airport gift shop in Bali.

Not Polynesian, but better on date, if still some way off.

 

[First Aspect]

Not Polynesian, but better on date, if still some way off.

Mesoamerican? (Suitably broad)

 

[briantrumpet]

Mesoamerican? (Suitably broad)

Nope.

 

[C R]

West African?

 

[briantrumpet]

West African?

No, but you're getting closer... you're on the correct landmass.

 

[C R]

No, but you're getting closer... you're on the correct landmass.

That's not much help. Afriasieuria contains most of the possible answers.

 

[briantrumpet]

That's not much help. Afriasieuria contains most of the possible answers.

Well, stay in Africa then. One of the usual suspects.

 

[Beebo]

Timbuktu. 200BCE.

 

[briantrumpet]

Timbuktu. 200BCE.

Not West Africa, and CR was closer with the date.

 

[Pross]

For lack of any better threads on here and not wanting to start a new one. Does anyone have any suggestions for a budget, simple to set up and use, PA system for my daughter who has got her first pub gig coming up? I think the venue holds up to around 150 but likely audience I would guess would be a bit less than that. Ideally an all-in-one system as she isn't techy and neither am I if I get dragged into being her roadie. She'll be singing solo with backing tracks initially so we done need loads of inputs and mixing equipment. She's got a decent mic but currently her performances are kids parties and she uses a karaoke machine but that won't be up to the noise of a pub.

 

[icowden]

For lack of any better threads on here and not wanting to start a new one. Does anyone have any suggestions for a budget, simple to set up and use, PA system for my daughter who has got her first pub gig coming up? I think the venue holds up to around 150 but likely audience I would guess would be a bit less than that. Ideally an all-in-one system as she isn't techy and neither am I if I get dragged into being her roadie. She'll be singing solo with backing tracks initially so we done need loads of inputs and mixing equipment. She's got a decent mic but currently her performances are kids parties and she uses a karaoke machine but that won't be up to the noise of a pub.

It depends how scalable you want to be.
The easiest method is a powered speaker system - something like this:-

https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-an...-with-Digital-Media-Player-and-Bluetooth/1O2S

That one has a single Mic socket and an aux in to receive the input from an audio device - as well as having an SD card, USB socket and Bluetooth.

If you decide it isn't loud enough you can cable it to the second of the same speaker which will double your sound output but will be double mono.

For a bit more money you get the ability to go stereo at a future date:
https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Alto-Professional-TX408-8-Active-PA-Speaker/6ZZI

The other thing to consider - maybe not initially - is getting a stand for the speaker (around £40) - the sound will be better if the speaker is elevated. That second speaker also has wireless stereo pairing which makes life pretty easy.

The other aspect of the powered speaker is that if she decides that a mixing desk would be beneficial you can still connect the output of the mixer to the speaker - everything is scalable.

At the higher end of the scale I worked in a jazz trio for a while and the singer there used a Bose L1 which was amazing but would take you quite a few gigs to pay off (£1000+).

 

[briantrumpet]

It depends how scalable you want to be.
The easiest method is a powered speaker system - something like this:-

https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-an...-with-Digital-Media-Player-and-Bluetooth/1O2S

That one has a single Mic socket and an aux in to receive the input from an audio device - as well as having an SD card, USB socket and Bluetooth.

If you decide it isn't loud enough you can cable it to the second of the same speaker which will double your sound output but will be double mono.

For a bit more money you get the ability to go stereo at a future date:
https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Alto-Professional-TX408-8-Active-PA-Speaker/6ZZI

The other thing to consider - maybe not initially - is getting a stand for the speaker (around £40) - the sound will be better if the speaker is elevated. That second speaker also has wireless stereo pairing which makes life pretty easy.

The Yamaha Stagepas is an absolutely fantastic bit of kit, if it's going to get a lot of use to justify the outlay. When I bought my own PA, I decided to go over the top at the outset (spent about £1000 20 years ago) so I'd never run out of capacity.

 

[Pross]

It depends how scalable you want to be.
The easiest method is a powered speaker system - something like this:-

https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-an...-with-Digital-Media-Player-and-Bluetooth/1O2S

That one has a single Mic socket and an aux in to receive the input from an audio device - as well as having an SD card, USB socket and Bluetooth.

If you decide it isn't loud enough you can cable it to the second of the same speaker which will double your sound output but will be double mono.

For a bit more money you get the ability to go stereo at a future date:
https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Alto-Professional-TX408-8-Active-PA-Speaker/6ZZI

The other thing to consider - maybe not initially - is getting a stand for the speaker (around £40) - the sound will be better if the speaker is elevated. That second speaker also has wireless stereo pairing which makes life pretty easy.

The other aspect of the powered speaker is that if she decides that a mixing desk would be beneficial you can still connect the output of the mixer to the speaker - everything is scalable.

At the higher end of the scale I worked in a jazz trio for a while and the singer there used a Bose L1 which was amazing but would take you quite a few gigs to pay off (£1000+).

Thanks, they're pretty similar to what she has at present but not sure they'll cut through a pub with 100-150 people talking. In the first instance I'm going to get her to check if the venue has a sound system but otherwise I've been looking at things like this one (unfortunately that one doesn't run off battery but shoudl still be fine for indoor gigs). I also looked at the Bose options as they get good reviews although the only one within my intended budget is the S1 Pro Plus but reviews are mixed on whether it will be suitably powerful. I did also look at the Yamaha Stagepas but again it's probably too pricey unless she starts getting regular gigs

 

[briantrumpet]

Thanks, they're pretty similar to what she has at present but not sure they'll cut through a pub with 100-150 people talking. In the first instance I'm going to get her to check if the venue has a sound system but otherwise I've been looking at things like this one (unfortunately that one doesn't run off battery but shoudl still be fine for indoor gigs). I also looked at the Bose options as they get good reviews although the only one within my intended budget is the S1 Pro Plus but reviews are mixed on whether it will be suitably powerful. I did also look at the Yamaha Stagepas but again it's probably too pricey unless she starts getting regular gigs

Worth looking at 2nd hand? e.g. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/257176117754 - there are lots around the £300 mark, and they do hold value pretty well, like anything Yamaha.

 

[icowden]

Thanks, they're pretty similar to what she has at present but not sure they'll cut through a pub with 100-150 people talking. In the first instance I'm going to get her to check if the venue has a sound system but otherwise I've been looking at things like this one (unfortunately that one doesn't run off battery but shoudl still be fine for indoor gigs).

That's the next level up. Apparently a good rule of thumb is 5w per person in a venue, so you would want 500w to 750w depending on how loud the rabble is.

I also looked at the Bose options as they get good reviews although the only one within my intended budget is the S1 Pro Plus but reviews are mixed on whether it will be suitably powerful. I did also look at the Yamaha Stagepas but again it's probably too pricey unless she starts getting regular gigs

The Pro Plus is only 150W. I'd go for at least 250W. Have a look at her karaoke speaker - it should tell you what its output is (or google it).

Brian's ebay find looks pretty good, the main issue is you don't have anyway of knowing (in a lot of the listings) whether there are any significant audio issues or speaker buzz if they've been treated badly.

Ultimately you need to decide what your budget is - and as Brian said, you normally get a decent price for resale if you decide later to get rid of them.