The push for a Natzional Trust....

[mjr]

I don't see any of the people on https://www.restoretrust.org.uk/agm-2024 in the list elected at https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/wh...rt-results-of-voting-in-the-council-elections

 

[icowden]

I don't see any of the people on https://www.restoretrust.org.uk/agm-2024 in the list elected at https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/wh...rt-results-of-voting-in-the-council-elections

Oddly, that's because none of the National Trust members wanted them elected. They did kick up a big fuss that the NT had added a default selector to the voting form that allowed members to agree with all the choices of the trustees.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

How is that extreme? Of course we should travel there not by 1/2-person car, and there should be plans to gradually close the car parks and expand cycle parks and encourage bus service, but it's not going to all happen overnight. There still need to be plans to do it and action because inaction is an awful path to take. Too many NT properties are contributing too much pollution and climate change for their own good. Some near me have been damaged by storms and floods, while some had close calls with the wildfires earlier this decade. If the modern car-encouraging is left in place, lots of NT sites will suffer.

Their demands - sorry policies - were to close all car parks start the start of the next season

they refused to take into account the idea that most people would simple stop visiting
for example we often visit Speke Hall - there is a long driveway to the car park which they would have closed
Hence my wife would be unable to even get as far as the entrance to the grounds - the walk would be far too long for her
AT the time they even wanted to keep cars with a disabled pass away as they should use the available public transport

They also planned to massively reduce the fossil fuels used by the Trust within a very short period of time which did not really take into account the time it would take to find a suitable replacement and implement it.
remember that the available replacements were not as good then as now - but even now it would require a lot of plumbing (bigger pipe) and radiators - all in a grade One listed building so the ability to change anything at all are very limited - and often undesirable

and all this was based on financial calculation that just assumed that all income - including membership and entrance fees etc etc - would remain the same

basically it was crazy

I would agree that getting visitors to arrive by public transport is a good aim - but even if you did a lot of visitors come some distance so will simply drive to the nearest town and park there to get a bus
if they even bother at all
and doing that using most of the fuel that visiting the car park does - just uses a local bus for the last mile

it was good aim for the distant future - but was not thought out based on reality and was far to extreme in its draconian implementation timescale and strategy

 

[Rusty Nails]

How is that extreme? Of course we should travel there not by 1/2-person car, and there should be plans to gradually close the car parks and expand cycle parks and encourage bus service, but it's not going to all happen overnight. There still need to be plans to do it and action because inaction is an awful path to take. Too many NT properties are contributing too much pollution and climate change for their own good. Some near me have been damaged by storms and floods, while some had close calls with the wildfires earlier this decade. If the modern car-encouraging is left in place, lots of NT sites will suffer.

Nice dream, but most people live in the modern world as it is, not as it should be. Most visitors are not cycling fanatics, do not live near the NT properties they visit, and many of those will not be on or near a bus route, and councils will not set up a new route unless it is going to be profitable. Other than a few hardy enthusiasts, they are not going to go by bike, especially as many, if not most, of them are elderly. The NT needs lots of visitors to survive so that would be the death knell for it.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Very few people are going to park in a town centre and pay for their family to get a bus to a big house then bus it back 2 hours later. If you've ever been in a NT cafe Monday to Friday it's awash with the grey pound. They aren't going to bus it or bike it either. Result will be termination of memberships because many people go to one or two properties regularly, and if they can't easily go to those there's no point being in the NT.

Most people go for a walk in the grounds and an overpriced lunch. They aren't going if a 2 hr trip has to turn into a day out.

 

[C R]

Nice dream, but most people live in the modern world as it is, not as it should be. Most visitors are not cycling fanatics, do not live near the NT properties they visit, and many of those will not be on or near a bus route, and councils will not set up a new route unless it is going to be profitable. Other than a few hardy enthusiasts, they are not going to go by bike, especially as many, if not most, of them are elderly. The NT needs lots of visitors to survive so that would be the death knell for it.

None of the NT properties around here are anywhere near a bus route. The only way to get there is driving or cycling. Croome's cafe is popular with cyclists, but the cafe is outside of the ticketed area, and most cyclists don't actually visit the property.

 

[Julia9054]

Beningborough Hall used to let you into the grounds for free if you turned up on a bicycle. They would lend you a lock and you could get a free cup of tea if you bought something in the cafe
A much better way to encourage sustainable travel than forcing people to use public transport that doesn’t exist.
Apparently there were complaints about inequitable treatment so they have now stopped it
I don’t go anymore