Trump redux - predictions?

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stowie

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He is actually, toadying the President with a 'State visit ' being laid on for him

It does feel unedifying - I suspect the majority view in the UK would be to give Trump the middle finger and tell him he is a c*nt.

However, man-baby that he is, the way to get Trump pliable is showering with trinkets. Meeting a King and being the centre of attention during a bunch of pomp is probably the best trinket in Trump's tiny mind.

God alone what King Charles must feel about doing this. I imagine he isn't breathless with excitement.

I think that Starmer has two key objectives. Get Trump to include some tie in to US security backstop for Ukraine with any US deals. And to avoid tariffs.

The bigly US-UK FTA made me chuckle. US has very few FTAs, with good reason - they demand a lot even without a lunatic as president. I can't see it happening. But if it does, then Remainer Starmer has achieved the goal that the Brexiteer headbangers lauded but never managed to achieve.
 

CXRAndy

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It does feel unedifying - I suspect the majority view in the UK would be to give Trump the middle finger and tell him he is a c*nt.

However, man-baby that he is, the way to get Trump pliable is showering with trinkets. Meeting a King and being the centre of attention during a bunch of pomp is probably the best trinket in Trump's tiny mind.

God alone what King Charles must feel about doing this. I imagine he isn't breathless with excitement.

I think that Starmer has two key objectives. Get Trump to include some tie in to US security backstop for Ukraine with any US deals. And to avoid tariffs.

The bigly US-UK FTA made me chuckle. US has very few FTAs, with good reason - they demand a lot even without a lunatic as president. I can't see it happening. But if it does, then Remainer Starmer has achieved the goal that the Brexiteer headbangers lauded but never managed to achieve.

Trump won't offer any security backup to Europe.

The offer of a FTA is to hive off the UK from leaning towards EU.
 
Trump won't offer any security backup to Europe.

The offer of a FTA is to hive off the UK from leaning towards EU.
Worth noting that the UK is the most eastern part of the US NORAD system. Without it their whole defence system becomes useless.
 

CXRAndy

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Worth noting that the UK is the most eastern part of the US NORAD system. Without it their whole defence system becomes useless.

Even Starmer is not that stupid to tell the US military to leave Britain because of other issues.

We as a nation are pretty defenceless against a super power like Russia. Our military is run down, woke and broke.
 
Even Starmer is not that stupid to tell the US military to leave Britain because of other issues.

We as a nation are pretty defenceless against a super power like Russia. Our military is run down, woke and broke.
The thing is the US cannot take that chance.
Their defence system relies heavily on both the western extreme, in Alaska, and the eastern extreme, in the UK, remaining operative at all times. They can't annoy the Canadians too much either. Two adjoining stations are sited in Canadian territories. The system can't operate if two adjoining stations go down. One can cover part of the adjoining one, but only part.
 
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Psamathe

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It does feel unedifying - I suspect the majority view in the UK would be to give Trump the middle finger and tell him he is a c*nt.

However, man-baby that he is, the way to get Trump pliable is showering with trinkets. Meeting a King and being the centre of attention during a bunch of pomp is probably the best trinket in Trump's tiny mind.
(Qualiofied that I'm no political strategist) I think the "State Visit" was offered too soon. Trump seems to be complete about facing every few hours eg "Zelenskyy's a dictator" one day and "I never said that" the next day. To try and get Trump to stay positive about UK agreements dangle a State Visit eg "King is keen or make an invite so we'll be working towards getting it organised ..." that way for Trump to get his much valued State Visit he has to not switch to imposing tariffs on UK tomorrow, etc. ie, fück us around and State Visit's not going to happen, cooperate and it will happen.

And I guess any state visit will have to be somewhat limited anyway as public appearanced to cheering crowds won't happen. Any crowds likely to be protestors with offensive banners.

Ian
 

CXRAndy

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It's Trump playbook.

He has in less than a month started peace talks. He's got Ukraine to come and sign a deal for mineral rights to pay back the money spent by Biden. Biden didn't ask for any form of loan repayment, unlike EU countries which has Zelenzsly sign and he did.

Trump is a business man, it's about what s best for the USA
 

Ian H

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So what does the impeccably capitalist Economist magazine think of Trump's politics?

Team Trump claims that its dealmaking will bring peace and that, after 80 years of being taken for a ride, America will turn its superpower status into profit. Our leader argues that it will instead make the world more dangerous, and America weaker and poorer. Advocates of dealmaking assume that America can get what it wants by bargaining. Yet as Mr Trump exploits decades-old dependencies, America’s leverage will rapidly fall away. Congress, financial markets or voters could yet persuade him to walk back. But the world has already started planning for a lawless era.
 
It's Trump playbook.

He has in less than a month started peace talks. He's got Ukraine to come and sign a deal for mineral rights to pay back the money spent by Biden. Biden didn't ask for any form of loan repayment, unlike EU countries which has Zelenzsly sign and he did.

Trump is a business man,[B[ it's about what s best for the USA[/B]
Or his he doing what is best for his pockets and those of his currently best mate.
Who's supply of materials for batteries is drying up at a vast rate, due to the taxes on imports from other countries that can supply the same materials?
 

stowie

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It's Trump playbook.

He has in less than a month started peace talks. He's got Ukraine to come and sign a deal for mineral rights to pay back the money spent by Biden. Biden didn't ask for any form of loan repayment, unlike EU countries which has Zelenzsly sign and he did.

Trump is a business man, it's about what s best for the USA

Why do people assume that government and business should be run in a similar way?

Trump is - at best - transactional. Leave Europe stranded and you can bet that European leaders are already serious about decoupling from US interests. Give Putin what he wants with no compromise then you can bet that Chinese leadership are looking on with interest. Maybe Taiwan isn't such a big deal to the US if they throw Trump a bone on semi manufacturing plants? There is very little strategic thinking going on apart from the next deal.

The whole "run government as a business BS" can be no more clearly seen by Musk's actions. He has a methodology which is to strip out whole functions, see what breaks and then fix. Crap way of working even in business, but an outage on Twitter/X isn't quite the same as "accidently" farking up medicare or welfare payments or FAA regulatory process.

BTW, in true Trump style, the Ukrainian minerals deal is not signed yet and it is all that bigly from the reports. A lot of Ukraine's latent rare earth mineral store is in Russian held territory and Ukraine doesn't have much in these reserves anyway. If decoupling from China on rare earths is the aim then India and Brazil have big reserves, and in fact they aren't massively rare! The actual issue is not the reserves but the processing which is messy with very toxic waste and energy intensive. We preferred to leave that to China up until now.
 
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CXRAndy

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European leaders are already serious about decoupling from US interests
They already have done, they created the European Union. A direct competitor to the USA. Because of globalization of major industry did USA get taken for a ride with democrats . Now the USA has a businesman in the chair, he plays to win everything for the USA.

The kicker has been that since the creation of the EU, the EU share of the global pie has consistently got smaller and smaller. Asia/China being the major players

USA has a similar projection, so Trump will position USA interests over any other trading block.

The UK is a pawn in the global market. Trading on past glory
 

CXRAndy

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The white press association used to control who was allowed to be in the press briefing and even select questions.

Not anymore

A more open Whitehouse press team opening access to more reporters.

Legacy meltdown 😭
 
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