War with Russia
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Pinno718
Squire
This ^.
C R
Squire
My surprise was at a Ukrainian graffiti in the ĂĄrse end of nowhere, not at people taking interest. In general, people in here seem to have wider knowledge of world politics than the average brit (NACA excepted).
Ian H
Pharaoh
That doesn't mean I have any sympathy for the invasion by Russia.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Re UK handing over Storm Shadow blueprints to Ukraine...
I guess that the theory is that Ukraine can scale up much more quickly than the UK, and that this winter and after are crucial, given it's pretty clear that Trump is deliberately making it harder for Ukraine to defend itself. It could be getting existential with the daily pounding Russia is subjecting Ukraine to. Worth noting from the article that it's UK components in French missiles, and that France must be party to the decision (if I'm reading the article correctly).
I guess that the theory is that Ukraine can scale up much more quickly than the UK, and that this winter and after are crucial, given it's pretty clear that Trump is deliberately making it harder for Ukraine to defend itself. It could be getting existential with the daily pounding Russia is subjecting Ukraine to. Worth noting from the article that it's UK components in French missiles, and that France must be party to the decision (if I'm reading the article correctly).
Pinno718
Squire
As Wildberries collapse is imminent, next up is it's little brother (65% the size of WB):
New Bingo board:
New Bingo board:
- Massive fuel queues re-appear across Russia as temporary a levitation of shortages end
- France pledges supply of anti-missile defence
- Russian supply trucks being struck at an average of 35 per day
- Russia loses 79% of grain exports and farmers warn of food shortages as grain is accumulating in silo's with no market. No market means no income, no income means no money to pay for sowing in spring.
- Massive warehouse goes up in smoke in St Petersburg. Ukrainians haven't claimed it sand there were no drones in the area o there's suggestion of sabotage
- [Reuters] Putin says Ukraine opened pandora's box with Ukraine's strikes on economic targets in a threat but Russia has no air defences and no means to stop it.
- [KP] Putin says Ukrainian peace proposals are too 'exotic' for Russia ?! There are no negotiations in place
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Steve Rosenburg saying that the fuel supply situation in Russia is the most crucial element at the moment, with it getting fairly desperate and Russia having to import from India, even if these warehouse strikes are very visible. Every little helps though...
Pinno718
Squire
Sure. You have to imagine what effect strikes on Amazon would have. Estimated 180,000 WB employees have lost their jobs and it's unknown how many vendors have lost their entire businesses. Whilst strikes on refineries have immediate impact, the slow drain of resources from military hardware to radar systems to military aircraft (many struck over the weekend) has a latent effect yet to be fully realised.
The cost of re-commissioning 1 refinery is in the millions. The cost of replacing all the vessels in the Black sea and sea of Azov, the substations (Crimea has no electricity, no fresh water and limited supplies of food) is uncountable but it's effect on Russia to deliver war is not immediate. It's a ticking bomb. We hope that Russia's supply network, it's cash generators will get to a point where they cannot sustain purchase of missiles and equipment sooner rather than later. [Russia has sold more gold reserves, that's finite].
secretsqirrel
spiteful class warrior
As I understand it, UK and France are developing a cheaper more efficient replacement so passing the blueprint to Ukraine allows them to concentrate their efforts in that area. The development is well advanced and will probably start testing by the end of the year.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
I guess that the 'traffic' might not just be one way, since Ukraine appears to be pushing at the boundaries of what is possible and at what cost. UK defence costs seem to have been held hostage by the likes of BAE Systems (or whatever it's called now) so a paperclip costs ÂŁ1mn, so there might be advantages to the arms equivalent of Lidl in an ally.
UglyWithaSidePart
Active Member
I think the UK should reconsider its relations with India, they've been quick to cosy up to Russia over the last few years.
Pblakeney
Shaman
Free R&D?
Pinno718
Squire
In terms of resource procurement, India imports 2.6m barrels of oil per day. When they can no longer source such volume, therein lies the sanction.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Yeah, that too, and extensive battlefield testing. Ukraine has a strong incentive to source effective materiel quickly and cheaply. BAE Systems (and others with captive customers) doesn't. In fact, rather the opposite.
