War with Russia

[Pblakeney]

I see that Donnie has announced an energy ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine.
All except for the fact that neither Russia or Ukraine have commented.

 

[Ian H]

No. It is about invading and not invading.
Remind us again, who has been doing the invading?

Russia - in response to what, do you think?

 

[briantrumpet]

I see that Donnie has announced an energy ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine.
All except for the fact that neither Russia or Ukraine have commented.

Probably to manipulate energy prices... doesn't he do this most weekends, declaring the Trump-Iran War over, then it magically restarts a couple of days later, because no one asked Iran if it was over?

 

[briantrumpet]

I see that Donnie has announced an energy ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine.
All except for the fact that neither Russia or Ukraine have commented.

Zelenskyy has commented. It was news to him, and Ukraine hasn't signed one.

 

[C R]

Russia - in response to what, do you think?

I disagree, Russia uses NATO as a convenient excuse, the same way the US used "communist influence" as a convenient excuse for fücking up half the world after WWII.

 

[briantrumpet]

Anyway, even if there is an 'energy ceasefire', Ukraine will possibly play 'data centre bingo', having done the same to Wildberries. The ramifications could be rather more consequential than not being able to distribute garden gnomes.

 

[Pblakeney]

Russia - in response to what, do you think?

Good question.
What has NATO done that warrants Russia invading another country which isn't in NATO? One might say because they are not in NATO.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Russia - in response to what, do you think?

Putin's Paranoia. He needs to have (the illusion of) an enemy at the door to maintain his image as a strong leader and a hold on the population

 

[Pinno718]

Anyway, even if there is an 'energy ceasefire', Ukraine will possibly play 'data centre bingo', having done the same to Wildberries. The ramifications could be rather more consequential than not being able to distribute garden gnomes.

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Wot I pointed to previously.
Anyway, Ukraine may not want to agree to not hitting refineries and doesn't stick to his word.

 

[Ian H]

I disagree, Russia uses NATO as a convenient excuse, the same way the US used "communist influence" as a convenient excuse for fücking up half the world after WWII.

I think there's a genuine feeling within the country that NATO is trying to intimidate Russia. Plus, Putin sees himself as a great leader in the manner of Catherine the Great (in drag). Having taken the Crimea without too much fuss, I guess he thought Ukraine would be too corrupt and disorganised to resist his invasion special operation. Having tied his prestige to that, he's rather stuck, unless he can work his charm on Trump to turn the tide his way - which isn't impossible.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I think there's a genuine feeling within the country that NATO is trying to intimidate Russia. Plus, Putin sees himself as a great leader in the manner of Catherine the Great (in drag). Having taken the Crimea without too much fuss, I guess he thought Ukraine would be too corrupt and disorganised to resist his invasion special operation. Having tied his prestige to that, he's rather stuck, unless he can work his charm on Trump to turn the tide his way - which isn't impossible.

There may well be a genuine feeling within the country but is that because of what they see, or the rhetoric of Putin? And intimidation is a regular tactic of Putin's...how many other leaders of nuclear armed countries regularly threaten other countries with the use of it, or jail and/or kill any serious internal political challengers.

 

[Pblakeney]

I think there's a genuine feeling within the country that NATO is trying to intimidate Russia. Plus, Putin sees himself as a great leader in the manner of Catherine the Great (in drag). Having taken the Crimea without too much fuss, I guess he thought Ukraine would be too corrupt and disorganised to resist his invasion special operation. Having tied his prestige to that, he's rather stuck, unless he can work his charm on Trump to turn the tide his way - which isn't impossible.

Glad to see that you've acknowledged that the current situation is all down to Putin.

 

[Ian H]

There may well be a genuine feeling within the country but is that because of what they see, or the rhetoric of Putin? And intimidation is a regular tactic of Putin's...how many other leaders of nuclear armed countries regularly threaten other countries with the use of it, or jail and/or kill any serious internal political challengers.

Who is it that topples any S American regimes they don't like, and did the same in Europe after WW2 to ensure there were no communist governments (in Italy and Greece, for instance)? And who has large numbers of troops and weaponry stationed over Western Europe?

 

[Ian H]

Glad to see that you've acknowledged that the current situation is all down to Putin.

Perhaps you're misreading my words.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Who is it that topples any S American regimes they don't like, and did the same in Europe after WW2 to ensure there were no communist governments (in Italy and Greece, for instance)? And who has large numbers of troops and weaponry stationed over Western Europe?

Not NATO. S America is outside its remit and Greece/Italy were before NATO was formed. There were no threats to USSR territory. You are conflating NATO with the CIA/US.

They are stationed in Europe with the permission of the host nations.