War with Russia

[Ian H]

Is it nice there, in your own head?

Here's a list. Let us know which ones should give themselves back to Russia, based on fully 69 years of historical precedent.

The 15 Former Soviet Republics (Countries)

• Russia (Russian SFSR) — The largest republic and continuator state to the USSR
• Ukraine (Ukrainian SSR) — Located in Eastern Europe
• Belarus (Byelorussian SSR) — Located in Eastern Europe
• Estonia (Estonian SSR) — One of the Baltic states
• Latvia (Latvian SSR) — One of the Baltic states
• Lithuania (Lithuanian SSR) — One of the Baltic states
• Moldova (Moldavian SSR) — Located between Romania and Ukraine
• Georgia (Georgian SSR) — Located in the Caucasus region
• Armenia (Armenian SSR) — Located in the Caucasus region
• Azerbaijan (Azerbaijan SSR) — Located in the Caucasus region
• Kazakhstan (Kazakh SSR) — Located in Central Asia
• Uzbekistan (Uzbek SSR) — Located in Central Asia
• Kyrgyzstan (Kyrgyz SSR) — Located in Central Asia
• Tajikistan (Tajik SSR) — Located in Central Asia
• Turkmenistan (Turkmen SSR) — Located in Central Asia

And?

Many if not most of those are Russian sphere of influence, but Ukraine is of great strategic and economic value.

 

[First Aspect]

And?

Many if not most of those are Russian sphere of influence, but Ukraine is of great strategic and economic value.

Bingo!

 

[C R]

And?

Many if not most of those are Russian sphere of influence, but Ukraine is of great strategic and economic value.

So exactly the same reasoning as NATO.

 

[Pblakeney]

So exactly the same reasoning as NATO.

...but by request instead of invasion.

 

[Ian H]

So exactly the same reasoning as NATO.

Indeed. But Russia claims historical rights. Also I think Putin assumed that Ukraine would fall easily because of its unstable government and endemic corruption. Instead he seems to have cured the instability, if not the corruption. I don't see the conflict being resolved any time soon.

 

[Pblakeney]

Indeed. But Russia claims historical rights. Also I think Putin assumed that Ukraine would fall easily because of its unstable government and endemic corruption. Instead he seems to have cured the instability, if not the corruption. I don't see the conflict being resolved any time soon.

I guess the people of Ukraine have no say in this matter?
Sounds like you are aligned with Putin and Donnie.

 

[Ian H]

I guess the people of Ukraine have no say in this matter?
Sounds like you are aligned with Putin and Donnie.

Spoiler: I'm not.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Spoiler: I'm not.

But are you aligned with or against Zelensky/Ukraine.

Ukraine has not been perfect in the way it has been run pre the Russian invasion, but in this case there is a clear aggressor imo.

 

[First Aspect]

Three are now in the EU. Then there's Ukraine.

Indeed. But Russia claims historical rights. Also I think Putin assumed that Ukraine would fall easily because of its unstable government and endemic corruption. Instead he seems to have cured the instability, if not the corruption. I don't see the conflict being resolved any time soon.

It's about as valid an argument as Germany's historical rights over Austria and Poland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss

 

[Ian H]

Three are now in the EU. Then there's Ukraine.

It's about as valid an argument as Germany's historical rights over Austria and Poland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss

From a historical perspective, a bit more than that.

 

[First Aspect]

From a historical perspective, a bit more than that.

You sure that was only Cool Aid you've been drinking?

 

[Ian H]

But are you aligned with or against Zelensky/Ukraine.

Ukraine has not been perfect in the way it has been run pre the Russian invasion, but in this case there is a clear aggressor imo.

Ukraine was a basket-case in terms of corruption and revolution (in which Russia had a hand). Putin has lashed himself to the mast - he has no option but to continue, otherwise he risks losing prestige and thence, probably, power. I doubt many would mourn him.

 

[Ian H]

You sure that was only Cool Aid you've been drinking?

Try reading stuff instead of throwing risible insults.

 

[First Aspect]

Try reading stuff instead of throwing risible insults.

Pravda?

 

[Ian H]

Pravda?

If you like. You won't find much historical info there. Wiki's history of Soviet Ukraine might give more insight.