Pblakeney
Guru
This highlights context that is sometimes forgotten. Ukraine doesn't have to defeat Russia, they just have to stop them.
Successfully invading and staying to enjoy peace on the invader's terms is a whole other ball game.
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This highlights context that is sometimes forgotten. Ukraine doesn't have to defeat Russia, they just have to stop them.
Successfully invading and staying to enjoy peace on the invader's terms is a whole other ball game.
briantrumpet
Squire
Pblakeney
Guru
briantrumpet
Squire
Just a hunch, but war generally isn't great news for either party.
Pblakeney
Guru
Yeah, not really a newsflash but some people seem to be under the illusion that it can all be fixed in a day.
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Milzy
Senior Member
The ukraine peace deal can be easily achieved if some common sense is instilled in the idiotic european leaders. They should abandon their delusions about trying to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia and truly work for peace. Just agree to ukraine being a neutral country. Similar to Switzerland. Give them security guarantees but stop trying to make ukraine a military threat to Russia. There really is no need for that IF ukraine has security guarantees from europe.
Russia is NOT a threat to europe. Russia cannot be beaten by europe in Russias backyard but Russia poses no military threat to any eu country. And Russia certainly poses no military threat to britain. Its childish for european leaders to say such things.
Here are some FACTS. Russia has only a 3% share of global gdp with less than 2% of the worlds population. RUSSIA cannot be beaten militarily in their own backyard but Russia doesnt have the economy or the population to be any threat to europe.
On the other hand china has a 16.5% share of world gdp and china has 17% of the worlds population. An autocratic china truly is a threat to all democracies in the world today. And they are especially a major military threat to all their neighbours like India, Nepal, Japan, phillipines, vietnam and Taiwan.
In the european leaders mania against Russia which actually wants to have good relations with europe AS LONG AS europe respects Russias security concerns you people are ignoring the real threat to world democracy, which might be china.
Russia is NOT a threat to europe. Russia cannot be beaten by europe in Russias backyard but Russia poses no military threat to any eu country. And Russia certainly poses no military threat to britain. Its childish for european leaders to say such things.
Here are some FACTS. Russia has only a 3% share of global gdp with less than 2% of the worlds population. RUSSIA cannot be beaten militarily in their own backyard but Russia doesnt have the economy or the population to be any threat to europe.
On the other hand china has a 16.5% share of world gdp and china has 17% of the worlds population. An autocratic china truly is a threat to all democracies in the world today. And they are especially a major military threat to all their neighbours like India, Nepal, Japan, phillipines, vietnam and Taiwan.
In the european leaders mania against Russia which actually wants to have good relations with europe AS LONG AS europe respects Russias security concerns you people are ignoring the real threat to world democracy, which might be china.
Pblakeney
Guru
Talking of delusional, Ukraine had all that in 2014 yet here we are.
Dorset Boy
Active Member
In what way are Ukraine a military threat to Russia? (Or have ever been)
Putin has been the aggressor, he wants the old USSR boundaries back and a neutral Ukraine would just get invaded again by Putin's Russia.
Rewarding the aggressor worked really well in the 1930s didn't it.
Putin has been the aggressor, he wants the old USSR boundaries back and a neutral Ukraine would just get invaded again by Putin's Russia.
Rewarding the aggressor worked really well in the 1930s didn't it.
Pinno718
Veteran
Oh yes it can. Russia is no longer a superpower. Russia is loosing men like no tomorrow and cannot replace them. Russia's air defences have been totally compromised.
When a little country can assassinate generals in Russia's own back yard (22 of them) and bomb Moscow's thermal energy plants, $400m dollar submarines, oil tankers/refineries/platforms, military installations, rail ways (critical to Russia's war machine), aircraft, ships etc etc with such ease, what could Europe do?
I am much more optimistic than the Eeyore's as Europe has set aside millions of Euro's to rebuild Ukraine including using Russia's assets.
The mess however, of an imploding Russia is going to be like a bunch of bully's in the school yard fighting, MNC's scrapping for oil and gas contracts and China annexing parts of Eastern and Northern Russia.
Demographically, Russia's pre war birth rate was already below what was required to sustain itself and now with many men of that age dead or badly injured, Russia's long term future (win or loose this war) is bleak.
