War with Russia

[BoldonLad]

We may have different interpretations of the meaning of “engaging in”.

I don’t think so, but, who knows?

 

[Rusty Nails]

I don’t think so, but, who knows?

I’m afraid that if you believe he is actually engaging in peace talks rather than pretending to Trump that he is then we do.

 

[BoldonLad]

I’m afraid that if you believe he is actually engaging in peace talks rather than pretending to Trump that he is then we do.

Well,I think he is playing Trump, but, I also think, he (Putin) feels the need to at least pretend to engage, which in turn, makes me think that his position may be a little less secure than he would like.

Naturally, I have absolutely no evidence for any of these assumptions, and, I am quite willing to admit that 😊

 

[Bazzer]

The point being is that the soldiers themselves are having to raise money to purchase body bags.
The current rate of casualties on the front line is 1000 per day.
Oh and it's now well over 400k killed.

Yes I knew what the point of their activity was and I can understand why they are doing it, but a phrase involving a dyke and a finger comes to mind.

 

[All uphill]

I think my slightly less verbose version of the situation holds up reasonably well?

A failed state the size of Russia would not increase world stability 😊

That leads me to speculate that key players will be making their preparations to grab assets if the state collapses as it did in the 1990s.

I wonder how a much more powerful China would act this time round.

 

[Pinno718]

I think my slightly less verbose version of the situation holds up reasonably well?

A failed state the size of Russia would not increase world stability 😊

In the event of a failed Russia (as a state), in what form do you see that instability?
I can only see China benefitting from it. Especially if Russia concedes territory as part of the failure to pay back loans.
In global terms, the loss of the US as an ally, as a dependable counter to Russia, as a NATO member, I see the instability right now - not sometime in the future.
Although, the yanks always had foreign policies that were highly questionable. Lets not forget that.
From Korea to Vietnam to the Iran contra's to WMD in Iraq, to Afghanistan (where they allowed the Mujahidin to acquire sex slaves and raped young children whilst the American forces were told to shut up and not say a thing) and to the long obsession with interfering with South and Central American governments (this actually fell under constitutional obligation from 1934) etc etc.

I was always ill at ease with the US being our 'ally' when in reality, we were a convenient missile base where we had no control over the potential deployment of those missiles and the relationship benefitted them more than us. (I won't go into the Suez crisis 'cos i'll be here all night).

 

[BoldonLad]

In the event of a failed Russia (as a state), in what form do you see that instability?
I can only see China benefitting from it. Especially if Russia concedes territory as part of the failure to pay back loans.
In global terms, the loss of the US as an ally, as a dependable counter to Russia, as a NATO member, I see the instability right now - not sometime in the future.
Although, the yanks always had foreign policies that were highly questionable. Lets not forget that.
From Korea to Vietnam to the Iran contra's to WMD in Iraq, to Afghanistan (where they allowed the Mujahidin to acquire sex slaves and raped young children whilst the American forces were told to shut up and not say a thing) and to the long obsession with interfering with South and Central American governments (this actually fell under constitutional obligation from 1934) etc etc.

I was always ill at ease with the US being our 'ally' when in reality, we were a convenient missile base where we had no control over the potential deployment of those missiles and the relationship benefitted them more than us. (I won't go into the Suez crisis 'cos i'll be here all night).

Well, the crumbling of the USSR was reasonably controlled, just a lot of asset grabbing really, with a couple of relatively local conflicts, but, the possibility of a crumbling Russian state, and groups with plentiful access to military hardware and a population able to see the affluent west, “over the fence” as it were, does not make me feel comfortable.

 

[briantrumpet]

Well, the crumbling of the USSR was reasonably controlled, just a lot of asset grabbing really, with a couple of relatively local conflicts, but, the possibility of a crumbling Russian state, and groups with plentiful access to military hardware and a population able to see the affluent west, “over the fence” as it were, does not make me feel comfortable.

In my ignorance, I suspect chaos would tend to be within rather than outside Russia, given there's not enough hardware even to subjugate Ukraine with all the single-minded focus its received.

 

[BoldonLad]

In my ignorance, I suspect chaos would tend to be within rather than outside Russia, given there's not enough hardware even to subjugate Ukraine with all the single-minded focus its received.

Chaos tends not to be contained by land borders.

let us hope we do not get to find out 😊

 

[briantrumpet]

Well, let us hope we do not get to find out 😊

It's going to happen sooner or later, whether Putin's demise is by natural causes or not, so we will find out one way or another eventually. Personally, I hope it's sooner. Whoever 'inherits' the mantle has an rather enfeebled empire thanks to Putin's chutzpah.