Pinno718
Legendary Member
It began with f and ended in g.
War with Russia
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It began with f and ended in g.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
That should alter the course of the war. Almost certainly.
Pblakeney
Squire
"There you go comrade. You will be perfectly safe now so carry on."
secretsqirrel
Über Member
They look nice. Fair play.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Must look really fun when the wheels on the truck go round and round.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Ooh, exciting, NACP's own foreign correspondent!
C R
Legendary Member
They are probably trying the moiré effect due to sampling rate in the cameras. If the spatial period of the bands is chosen carefully, it will look nothing like a lorry in the image. This is from the same fundamental reason that in TV shirts with vertical stripes are discouraged, as you ger all sorts of strange patterns due to sampling. It is less of an issue with HD cameras and with high frame rate, but that may not be what drones use.
C R
Legendary Member
I'm sure that the Ukrainians know this and will be thinking of countermeasures. I'm just pointing it out that the effect being exploited is not to do with colour, but with the spatial patterns.
Ian H
Shaman
Charlotte, who is still a member over on the other side though she hasn't posted for yonks, recently was part of a women's convoy delivering trucks to Ukraine. I felt obliged to make a modest donation to the cause.
stowie
Well-Known Member
Interesting that they mention about interfering with the machine vision of UAVs. Ukraine has started to employ AI enabled drones for automatic targeting and had considerable success. Vision AI often processes the video for edge detection as this helps extract "features" to classify objects. This is especially the case with things like drones where the processing power available is going to be much lower than in the cloud, which would also probably require the input video to be significantly reduced in resolution. Low power AI will only support more limited feature extraction.
I am guessing these stripes introduce a whole load of edges to the video image being processed and this could confuse the AI models being used. Reports say that the AI has been trained on thousands of hours of video featuring Russian vehicles, presumably much in more standard camouflage.
If this is the case, then it is a cheap way to try to better protect the vehicles, but may only be temporary if Ukraine can modify its models and training. There must be a limit between fooling the AI and standing out in a battlefield to humans. Plus I believe there can be multiple different sensor types (eg. LIDAR, infrared etc) that may be used alongside visual video with AI to negate the camouflage.
Psamathe
Legendary Member
I've not read beyond aspects raised here but those zebra vehicles look like operating close to front. Also I thought Ukraine was increasingly using fibre linked drones to avoid RF links being blocked. I would have expected fibre links to provide a higher data bandwidth allowing processing to be based with the controller rather than on the drone itself.
But maybe I'm doing 2+2=22?
C R
Legendary Member
The thing is moire interference is quite characteristic and should be easy to pick out algorithmically. Potentially this type of camouflage makes the lorries easier to detect.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Haven't read it yet, but the headline...
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/ukraine-war-turns-tide
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/ukraine-war-turns-tide
