War with Russia

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secretsqirrel

spiteful class warrior
Could England do something similar with Clacton?

Has Clacton not suffered enough?
 

Pinno718

Legendary Member
Russian units become increasingly reliant on generators. However, fuel shortages mean electronic devices to conduct operations are 'blind' without power.
This is resulting in huge casualty losses on a daily basis averaging 1300+ daily.

Links in and out of Crimea are being slowly eroded through drone strikes. Russian supply vehicles heading for Crimea are being taken out at a rate of 400 per day.

Krasnodar oil depot struck as fuel crisis spreads across Russia.

{Euromaidan] Ukraine strikes largest oil refinery in Russia, 15km's from Moscow.

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Tu-22M3 Strategic Bomber Crashes During Training Flight in Irkutsk Region


https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2026...ring-training-flight-in-irkutsk-region-a93018

St Petersburg Naval parade cancelled for second year in a row.
 

Psamathe

Legendary Member
The worry is whether Putin will see the writing on the wall, panic and do something very silly.
Difficult to predict what might happen if people panic but I suspect the Chinese have put guardrails around him, specifying what would be unacceptable and incompatible with their support. Doesn't mean that a desperate panicking person would adhere to those limits.

Putin's difficulty is that he's left himself no way out. He's created a situation and demands so maximalist I can't see any "compromise" where he won't appear to have lost.
 

Pinno718

Legendary Member
Difficult to predict what might happen if people panic but I suspect the Chinese have put guardrails around him, specifying what would be unacceptable and incompatible with their support. Doesn't mean that a desperate panicking person would adhere to those limits.

This is a slight presumption. Xi Xing Ping 'support' is riddled with caveats including an insurance indemnity: in a scenario where Russia run out of credit (that point must be looming large?), Russia may have to cede land.
Plus: China is not giving weaponry free. This was mainly a channel for purchase outside of international sanctions and China has already expressed concern to Putin about their global standing regarding this after numerous dignitaries (Starmer included) have put pressure on Xi Ping. China stands to win if Russia looses or succeeds, so the outcome for them sits in an uncomfortable file on Xi Ping's desk for Putin.
If the Chinese pull the plug, Putin is triple f*cked. The plug will be pulled if the debt looks toxic; no amount of loyalty will be sufficient to generate leniency. Think of China as the Bank Manager.
This bank manager pledged support initially as Russia looked to be an economic and political partner but now the partner is struggling, so what to do. They cannot support a whole regime in a country that is failing.

Trump has singlehandedly diminished US interests and influence. I do not know whether the Chinese view this as a long term consequence or not but the fact is, China's power has been bolstered to the extent that the outcome of this conflict no longer carries the same weight. Their attention will turn towards resource procurement and we do not know the extent that Putin is willing to go to in order to secure weaponry and support. I can safely presume Putin would be desperate but if the coffers are already running dry, he has weaker and fewer cards to play.
 
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Psamathe

Legendary Member
Difficult to predict what might happen if people panic but I suspect the Chinese have put guardrails around him, specifying what would be unacceptable and incompatible with their support. Doesn't mean that a desperate panicking person would adhere to those limits.
This is a slight presumption. Xi Xing Ping 'support' is riddled with caveats including an insurance indemnity: in a scenario where Russia run out of credit (that point must be looming large?), Russia may have to cede land.
Plus: China is not giving weaponry free. This was mainly a channel for purchase outside of international sanctions and China has already expressed concern to Putin about their global standing regarding this after numerous dignitaries (Starmer included) have put pressure on Xi Ping. China stands to win if Russia looses or succeeds, so the outcome for them sits on an uncomfortable shelf for Putin.
If the Chinese pull the plug, Putin is triple f*cked. The plug will be pulled if the debt looks toxic; no amount of loyalty will be sufficient to generate leniency. Think of China as the Bank Manager.
This bank manager pledged support initially as Russia looked to be an economic and political partner but now the partner is struggling, so what to do. They cannot support a whole regime in a country that is being hammered.

Trump has singlehandedly diminished US interests and influence. I do not know whether the Chinese view this as a long term consequence or not but the fact is, China's power has been bolstered to the extent that the outcome of this conflict no longer carries the same weight. Their attention will turn towards resource procurement and we do not know the extent that Putin is willing to go to in order to secure weaponry and support. I can safely presume Putin would be desperate but if the coffers are already running dry, he has weaker and fewer cards to play.
nb my own post is my personal conjecture.
But I wonder if Russian oil is playing a part of China's alliance? I have no idea how much oil China is actually buying. I believe there is a pipeline but I have no idea how significant the quantities are.

I assume with Hormuz Straits closed maybe China is more reliant on Russian oil. With Trümp's "Memorandum of Understanding" (that seems to avoid difficult issues) and Israel seeking to kill of any peace deals, China might get a some supply but I assume would still be regarding oil by sea from Gulf states as "precarious".
 

Pinno718

Legendary Member
nb my own post is my personal conjecture.
But I wonder if Russian oil is playing a part of China's alliance? I have no idea how much oil China is actually buying. I believe there is a pipeline but I have no idea how significant the quantities are.

I expect China is getting that oil at a discount. Putin's departure would probably not altar that supply. The issue is that Russia is running out of fuel for both the military operation and domestically, so there's less and less to sell. Ural crude oil value is high (theoretically*) but sales and production has reduced to the point they are making less money then before the hike - do not forget that a lot of Russian oil does not belong to the state. The state only gets tax revenue from non-state owned oil and gas production.
By the looks of it, (the US navy allowed tankers through which were on their way to China and India), I don't think China therefore are that reliant on Russian oil. It's probably about price and overall expenditure in a massive economy.
The Chinese stopped purchasing Russian electricity (IIRC, November last year) as it wasn't 'competitive'.

*Unlike global crude prices, the price of Ural crude is not reflected directly by actual sale vale given sanctions and the impediments to transport.
 

Beebo

Legendary Member
Massive overnight attack on Moscow. With direct hits on oil depots.
Ukraine taking the war directly to the capital.
Trump might turn his attention back to this conflict now that Iran is sorted out. Ha ha.
But will he tell Putin to stop this now? And would his mate Putin listen?
 
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