War with Russia

[C R]

Yeah, that too, and extensive battlefield testing. Ukraine has a strong incentive to source effective materiel quickly and cheaply. BAE Systems (and others with captive customers) doesn't. In fact, rather the opposite.

BAE will still profit. Nationalise R&D and testing costs and privatise profits.

 

[secretsqirrel]

CIA have been to Moscow today. Wonder what that is about, maybe a prisoner swap arrangement?

 

[All uphill]

CIA have been to Moscow today. Wonder what that is about, maybe a prisoner swap arrangement?

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Swapping Presidents, maybe?

 

[Pblakeney]

Swapping Presidents, maybe?

Delivering orders to Donnie, maybe?

 

[Beebo]

CIA have been to Moscow today. Wonder what that is about, maybe a prisoner swap arrangement?

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The US have confirmed that the head of CIA was in Moscow but haven’t said why.

Speculation is to tell Russia to stop further escalation.

 

[Pblakeney]

The US have confirmed that the head of CIA was in Moscow but haven’t said why.

Speculation is to tell Russia to stop further escalation.

We can but dream.
By "tell", I presume you mean "beg". It has been a bloody long 24 hours to resolve.

 

[Pinno718]

• Holes in 3 more Ozon warehouses overnight. 2 of them were built less than 1 year ago.
• Putin proposes 1 year of tax relief for individuals affected by WB and Ozon strikes. They have no money, bad debts and are not getting paid.
• Putin signs order to seize critical infrastructure following attacks [Moscow Times]. 'If private companies are unable to defend themselves...' ?! then the government will seize the asset.
• In far eastern Russia, the Amur gas chemical complex suffers catastrophic fire. No Ukrainian drones here, just the usual sub standard Russian construction and H&S.
  
  
  
• Russia purchases 200,000 barrels of oil from Turkey. Turkey is a NATO country. Make of that what you will. It's a drop in the ocean as far as Russia's daily consumption us concerned as fuel queues get bigger and longer and only 20% of petrol stations have fuel in the capital.
• Russian state TV filmed the moment when generators were delivered to a warehouse in Melitopol destined for the army. The Ukrainians located the warehouse after watching the coverage and then destroyed it. [Euromaidan Press]
• Second Russian MiG29 destroyed in 2 days at the Millerovo airbase. I love the colourful language. The list of worm sh*t is so long, i've had to stick it on two screen shots.
  
  
  
  
  
• This Russian trucker got lucky
  
• Red Cross aid warehouse in Kherson being stockpiled ahead of winter destroyed by Russians
• Russians strike Mondelez facility in Sumi. This is an American food company. Go figure.
• Talking of Americans, 1 mad one in particular
  

 

[briantrumpet]

• Holes in 3 more Ozon warehouses overnight. 2 of them were built less than 1 year ago.
• Putin proposes 1 year of tax relief for individuals affected by WB and Ozon strikes. They have no money, bad debts and are not getting paid.
• Putin signs order to seize critical infrastructure following attacks [Moscow Times]. 'If private companies are unable to defend themselves...' ?! then the government will seize the asset.
• In far eastern Russia, the Amur gas chemical complex suffers catastrophic fire. No Ukrainian drones here, just the usual sub standard Russian construction and H&S.
  
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• Russia purchases 200,000 barrels of oil from Turkey. Turkey is a NATO country. Make of that what you will. It's a drop in the ocean as far as Russia's daily consumption us concerned as fuel queues get bigger and longer and only 20% of petrol stations have fuel in the capital.
• Russian state TV filmed the moment when generators were delivered to a warehouse in Melitopol destined for the army. The Ukrainians located the warehouse after watching the coverage and then destroyed it. [Euromaidan Press]
• Second Russian MiG29 destroyed in 2 days at the Millerovo airbase. I love the colourful language. The list of worm sh*t is so long, i've had to stick it on two screen shots.
  
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• This Russian trucker got lucky View attachment 16932
• Red Cross aid warehouse in Kherson being stockpiled ahead of winter destroyed by Russians
• Russians strike Mondelez facility in Sumi. This is an American food company. Go figure.
• Talking of Americans, 1 mad one in particular View attachment 16933

The latter is real "That's a real nice country you got there... it'd be a pity if anything happened to it" threat. The FB video on the Trump thread saying how the US has been lying to itself that these overseas bases aren't of direct benefit to the US is very persuasive: it gives them the excuse to say they can't afford a decent healthcare system because of all these foreigners who demand protection, whereas the bases are of direct benefit to the US.

The difficulty now is that Trump loves his dick taters in Russia, China and North Korea, so he wants to cosy up to them. It's not going to end well, any more than Merkel cosying up to Putin and the West winding down defence capabilities did.

 

[matticus]

Putin signs order to seize critical infrastructure following attacks [Moscow Times]. 'If private companies are unable to defend themselves...' ?! then the government will seize the asset.

That's delicious!

"It's not MY fault the neighbour I invaded is a bit pi55ed at us, Yuri!"

 

[Milzy]

I think the UK should reconsider its relations with India, they've been quick to cosy up to Russia over the last few years.

Why can’t we just be allies with Russia once again? Stop profitable war for the elites.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Re UK handing over Storm Shadow blueprints to Ukraine...



I guess that the theory is that Ukraine can scale up much more quickly than the UK, and that this winter and after are crucial, given it's pretty clear that Trump is deliberately making it harder for Ukraine to defend itself. It could be getting existential with the daily pounding Russia is subjecting Ukraine to. Worth noting from the article that it's UK components in French missiles, and that France must be party to the decision (if I'm reading the article correctly).

There are a few angles to look at it, yes one of them is Ukraine needs drones now and has the ability and need to scale up production faster then we in the Uk can. But also i remember not so long ago something about the challenger 3 being over budget and potentially cancelled so production in a other country solves the budget problem.
But more importantly what we learned so far is that the drones Ukraine got the blueprint for are most likely equipped with "stormfire" a very new technology that doesn't hide away from radars but confuses them. (hence the the most likely reason one of those warehouses was hit by an air defence Russian rocket that was intended for an drone.) so i guess battlefield experience is worth so much more then the honor to produce it.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Why can’t we just be allies with Russia once again? Stop profitable war for the elites.

Just a reminder that was pretty much the response in 2014 the west said they didn't approve of Putins actions and that's about it, after Putin had other "special military operations in Georgia, and many other small acts of war against its' neighbors. this has let other neighboring countries like Poland to ramp up their military spending and equipment for years.

So if you give in to Putin now, what will be his next target?