Rusty Nails
Country Member
That is not the same.
I believe most people here support cracking down on both types of fraud and would like to see resources put into them commensurate with the potential returns.
Welfare. Can we afford it?
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That is not the same.
I believe most people here support cracking down on both types of fraud and would like to see resources put into them commensurate with the potential returns.
BoldonLad
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No idea if we can "afford" it or not.
IMHO, "the system" has become horrendously complex, and, needs to be symplified
The argument/discussion of benefit fraud vs tax evasion is, to me, pointless, since I do not believe that anyone has accurate figures for either, and, the effect of both is more than the cost in £, there is also the cost in peoples attitude and motivation.
IMHO, change is needed, but, it would be too disruptive to too many people's lives to make the changes quickly, it would require a prolonged period of time (say 30-50 years), which means, it is not going to happen, since no Politician thinks beyond the next election.
Didn't Ms Reeves make extensive claims about filling "black holes" by clamping down on tax fraud?, how is that going I wonder?
IMHO, "the system" has become horrendously complex, and, needs to be symplified
The argument/discussion of benefit fraud vs tax evasion is, to me, pointless, since I do not believe that anyone has accurate figures for either, and, the effect of both is more than the cost in £, there is also the cost in peoples attitude and motivation.
IMHO, change is needed, but, it would be too disruptive to too many people's lives to make the changes quickly, it would require a prolonged period of time (say 30-50 years), which means, it is not going to happen, since no Politician thinks beyond the next election.
Didn't Ms Reeves make extensive claims about filling "black holes" by clamping down on tax fraud?, how is that going I wonder?
Psamathe
Guru
Maybe we can't afford what we are doing at the moment but maybe if we (our politicians) addressed why so many need so much we can afford that?
Also "afford" is often a question of choices.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
It's Spen. His "Well this is interesting" schtick is as ubiquitous and boring as CXRAndy's right wing love in, just without the unhinged social media links.
spen666
Über Member
Ohhh look its the text book play the man because someone disagrees with you.
Try actually dealing with the issue instead of insulting those who disagree with your views
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Sorry, I'll try harder to engage with your style of posting in the future. You make such an effort, it's only fair.
spen666
Über Member
Sadly you think playing the man when they have a different opinion to you is appropriate.
all it does is detract from any sensible debate.
if someone's views are wrong, then it should be possible to show that up by debate, not by insulting the person who holds views that differ from you
AndyRM
Elder Goth
I'm perfectly happy to debate with people on here, but I've been around long enough to know your disingenuous style, which you never like being called out on. This isn't an insult, it's just reading what your post.
Which is fine, but I think it's weird that you persist in doing it.
spen666
Über Member
Yes you are perfectly happy to debate with people who hold the same views as you.
Sadly you seem to persist in launching personal attacks on those who hold differing views by attacking the person, rather than debating the issues.
it is possible to hold differing views to someone and debate those views without launching ad hominen attacks on that person
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Yes, it's terribly sad, isn't it?
Nobody really "debates" anything on here anyway. You seem keen on the fitba thread though, have at it, you're off to a flying start.
First Aspect
Guru
I think that's not the case. There are plenty of us happy to debate. I've not kept up with this thread, but I'm happy to disagree with anyone if that would help.
Rusty Nails
Country Member
Oh no you're not.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
I should have said "properly" I suppose, but I agree that most people on here are pretty reasonable when it comes to discussion.
