Who Is Leader of the Opposition?

[BoldonLad]

Leicester was one of those localities where Jonathan Ashworth lost his previously safe seat. https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-send-message-to-labour-over-its-gaza-stance

But Muslims are a significant slice of the electorate, particularly in urban constituencies (where Labour are also likely to be strong and therefore more affected by losing their vote) but it's not just localised. I was talking about how Labour might have lost vote share.

OK, I get that, overall vote share could have been affected, without necessarily seats being lost, in direct proportion (PR again).

As an aside, is one particular religious group (ANY religion) having such influence, healthy, in our society?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Leicester was one of those localities where Jonathan Ashworth lost his previously safe seat.

Every cloud has a silver lining.

 

[C R]

OK, I get that, overall vote share could have been affected, without necessarily seats being lost, in direct proportion (PR again).

As an aside, is one particular religious group (ANY religion) having such influence, healthy, in our society?

The influence of Islam has a negative effect in those communities. It can be very difficult to be seen as "not a proper muslim" and there's an unhealthy level of "community" interference in people's lives.

 

[Chromatic]

The influence of Islam has a negative effect in those communities. It can be very difficult to be seen as "not a proper muslim" and there's an unhealthy level of "community" interference in people's lives.

Did you mean that or did you mean it can be easy to be seen as "not a proper muslim"?

 

[C R]

Did you mean that or did you mean it can be easy to be seen as "not a proper muslim"?

Yep, not clear. I meant that it is easy to be seen as not a proper muslim, and being seen as not a proper muslim can make life difficult.

 

[BoldonLad]

The influence of Islam has a negative effect in those communities. It can be very difficult to be seen as "not a proper muslim" and there's an unhealthy level of "community" interference in people's lives.

Yeah, I get that. IMHO a similar scenario can arise with any religion, under the “right” circumstances, and, again, IMHO, it is not desirable, certainly not to me, anyway.

 

[Beebo]

The influence of Islam has a negative effect in those communities. It can be very difficult to be seen as "not a proper muslim" and there's an unhealthy level of "community" interference in people's lives.

You could easily replace that for American right wing Christians

 

[Bromptonaut]

Yes, I would agree, a localized issue, rather than a national one, was my point.

The other thing is that while Gaza is part of the story the candidates are local people, mostly with professional backgrounds and whose other policies also chimed with people in areas with a dense population and a lot of inequality.

 

[Bromptonaut]

The other thing is that while Gaza is part of the story the candidates are local people, mostly with professional backgrounds and whose other policies also chimed with people in areas with a dense population and a lot of inequality.

Guardian article about Leicester South:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...slim-mp-leicester-south-victory-not-sectarian

 

[AndyRM]

Guardian article about Leicester South:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...slim-mp-leicester-south-victory-not-sectarian

You know, I hadn't actually thought of this as a sectarian issue? Which is a by product of being raised in Scotland I suppose where it's been a problem since, well, forever really.

 

[Deleted member 159]

With something like 350k vote swing, Reform would have got more seats than the Tories. Reform came second in 90 wards

 

[Bromptonaut]

You know, I hadn't actually thought of this as a sectarian issue? Which is a by product of being raised in Scotland I suppose where it's been a problem since, well, forever really.

In another part of Leicester disgraced duo of Claudia Webbe and Keith Vaz took enough votes to get a Tory in for Leicester East!!

 

[Ian H]

With something like 350k vote swing, Reform would have got more seats than the Tories. Reform came second in 90 wards

Many people would have voted differently under a PR system (including me and various friends, for example), so no-one knows what the outcome might have been.

 

[Deleted member 159]

Many people would have voted differently under a PR system (including me and various friends, for example), so no-one knows what the outcome might have been.

I'm talking about the current FPTP voting.

 

[Ian H]

I'm talking about the current FPTP voting.

In which case the result is as it is. What's your point?