Wild camping banned on Dartmoor...

[mudsticks]

The disaffected landowners though are more likely to vote LD than Labour if unhappy with the Tories....

Yup I know

So we have to be tactical if we want to get the barstewards out and we're not 'allowed' PR.

 

[albion]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ht-to-roam-trespass-england-countryside-rules
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68278444

I imagine much if this access land is simply free money go landowners whilst giving absolute zero.
The proposed Labour right to roam bill is going to get ugly.

 

[Electric_Andy]

I think in defense of the land owners, they'd be more likely to welcome walkers onto their land to access public land if the fly tipping situation was brought under control. I'm not saying walkers do it, but wherever you have free access then you often get fly tipping. Mainland Dartmoor is not as bad, but bridle paths and lanes are a nightmare. Both my Dad and the neighbouring farm have had issues for years. We've had a full sized caravan dumped (whilst on fire), cars, washing machines, asbestos, roof tiles. Dad has to maintain the bridle path out of his own pocket so that a few people a year can walk down it, and a multiple fly tippers per year ruin it for everyone.

 

[matticus]

I'm not saying walkers do it, but

. We've had a full sized caravan dumped (whilst on fire), cars, washing machines, asbestos, roof tiles.

Gosh, it MUST be hard to guess whether walkers are to blame! (and if it's NOT walkers, I bet it's cyclists dropping that lot ...

 

[Beebo]

I think in defense of the land owners, they'd be more likely to welcome walkers onto their land to access public land if the fly tipping situation was brought under control. I'm not saying walkers do it, but wherever you have free access then you often get fly tipping. Mainland Dartmoor is not as bad, but bridle paths and lanes are a nightmare. Both my Dad and the neighbouring farm have had issues for years. We've had a full sized caravan dumped (whilst on fire), cars, washing machines, asbestos, roof tiles. Dad has to maintain the bridle path out of his own pocket so that a few people a year can walk down it, and a multiple fly tippers per year ruin it for everyone.

I’m sure that’s very annoying but fly tippers are hardly going to stop flying tipping whether they had access or not.

 

[qigong chimp]

Gosh, it MUST be hard to guess whether walkers are to blame! (and if it's NOT walkers, I bet it's cyclists dropping that lot ...

Matthew Parris likes your thinking.

 

[matticus]

Matthew Parris likes your thinking.

I'm surprised they've left that page up. Or should I be depressed that they still don't see any harm in it ...