Badenoch's (Lack Of) Vision Quest

[Psamathe]

I sort of wonder if we should be running a sweepstake about how long she'll remain Party Leader.

She just sort of has nothing, no policies or rather only "policy" seems to be not to have any policies. Or maybe it's that Jenrick stands a good chance to taking over that is stopping MPs raising their voices calling for a leadership challenge.

Whilst I'm happy she takes the Conservatives into oblivion and obscurity and keeps the likes of Jenrick away from being able to make policy, trouble is that many of those voters probably deserting the party will be moving to Reform and that becomes "Devil and Deep Blue Sea".

Ian

 

[briantrumpet]

I sort of wonder if we should be running a sweepstake about how long she'll remain Party Leader.

She just sort of has nothing, no policies or rather only "policy" seems to be not to have any policies. Or maybe it's that Jenrick stands a good chance to taking over that is stopping MPs raising their voices calling for a leadership challenge.

Whilst I'm happy she takes the Conservatives into oblivion and obscurity and keeps the likes of Jenrick away from being able to make policy, trouble is that many of those voters probably deserting the party will be moving to Reform and that becomes "Devil and Deep Blue Sea".

Ian

The trouble is that they are still in trolling mode, as they were when they were in government: they define themselves by what they dislike rather than by things that they believe in. As much as people might have hated her, Thatcher believed in things, in opposition, and in power, and argued for them, right or wrong. Jenrick is no different from Badenoch, only loonier.

 

[secretsqirrel]

She wasted her 6 PMQs asking for an inquiry into grooming gangs.
The responses were too easy for Starmer.

She is to Opposition, what Trump is to deal making.

 

[Stevo 666]

Whilst I'm happy she takes the Conservatives into oblivion and obscurity and keeps the likes of Jenrick away from being able to make policy, trouble is that many of those voters probably deserting the party will be moving to Reform and that becomes "Devil and Deep Blue Sea".

Ian

I think you should hope that they remain a viable political force for that reason, as currently the right of centre vote is split between Conservative and Reform. So careful what you wish for.

Jenrick probably realises that some form of alliance would be the most effective way of getting rid of Labour.

 

[briantrumpet]

She wasted her 6 PMQs asking for an inquiry into grooming gangs.
The responses were too easy for Starmer.

She is to Opposition, what Trump is to deal making.

Quite. She's not even effective as a troll.

 

[Beebo]

She wasted her 6 PMQs asking for an inquiry into grooming gangs.
The responses were too easy for Starmer.

She is to Opposition, what Trump is to deal making.

They had 14 years to set up an enquiry.
And as soon as they are out of power they start moaning about a lack of enquiry.

 

[C R]

I think you should hope that they remain a viable political force for that reason, as currently the right of centre fascist vote is split between Conservative and Reform. So careful what you wish for.

FTFY. The right of centre vote is split between Labour and the Lib Dems.

 

[Rusty Nails]

With the Fascist vote split between the Tories and Reform, and the right of centre vote split between Labour and the LibDems, where are the Communist Party and Socialist Worker Party when we oppressed left leaning people need them? They should be hoovering up votes and members now and I blame them for allowing the country to get to this state by not seizing the opportunity.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

With the Fascist vote split between the Tories and Reform, and the right of centre vote split between Labour and the LibDems, where are the Communist Party and Socialist Worker Party when we oppressed left leaning people need them? They should be hoovering up votes and members now and I blame them for allowing the country to get to this state by not seizing the opportunity.

AI Overview
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According to Marxist theory, the proletariat will become ready for revolution when they achieve a high level of class consciousness, recognize the contradictions of capitalism, and develop a revolutionary party to lead the overthrow of the capitalist system. This process is not simply a matter of time, but rather a complex interaction of economic and political factors, as well as the development of the proletariat's own political capacity.

 

[Beebo]

the development of the proletariat's own political capacity.

That is the tricky bit.
As long as you have billionaires setting the agenda and constantly pitting the plebs against each other.
How can a penniless political movement compete in the current media landscape?

 

[C R]

That is the tricky bit.
As long as you have billionaires setting the agenda and constantly pitting the plebs against each other.
How can a penniless political movement compete in the current media landscape?

The actual proletariat, the amazon drivers having to piss in bottles in their vans and so on, aren't voting.

 

[Rusty Nails]

AI Overview
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According to Marxist theory, the proletariat will become ready for revolution when they achieve a high level of class consciousness, recognize the contradictions of capitalism, and develop a revolutionary party to lead the overthrow of the capitalist system. This process is not simply a matter of time, but rather a complex interaction of economic and political factors, as well as the development of the proletariat's own political capacity.

So not quite yet, and certainly not while the proletariat (or the majority of them) are satisfied with their life in front of the TV screen watching Sky and are happy to get their news and opinions from social media, especially the young who, we were told, were going to save the country from the Boomer Tories.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

The actual proletariat, the amazon drivers having to piss in bottles in their vans and so on, aren't voting.

Google won't give me an AI overview as to whether Amazon drivers are part of the proletariat.

 

[Psamathe]

With the Fascist vote split between the Tories and Reform, and the right of centre vote split between Labour and the LibDems, where are the Communist Party and Socialist Worker Party when we oppressed left leaning people need them? They should be hoovering up votes and members now and I blame them for allowing the country to get to this state by not seizing the opportunity.

Maybe many are wanting "None of the above" - given how useless so many of these "mainstream" politicians are turning out to be.

Ian

 

[Rusty Nails]

Maybe many are wanting "None of the above" - given how useless so many of these "mainstream" politicians are turning out to be.

Ian

Then where is the new left wing party coming from to take advantage of this dissatisfaction or disillusion?
Where is Corbyn, Momentum and others (well OK, not Corbyn) when his country needs them?