Big brother Tesla

[icowden]

Good summary here

It has some rather tenuous arguments in it. For example it posits that one family might summon 3 robotaxis to drop the kids to school where they would previously have only used one car, but conveniently omits the idea that families might save money by carpooling so that one robo taxi actually picks up 5 kids in the same neighbourhood and takes them all to school, or that mom and dad now don't need a car, so many of the cars driving on the road or parked on streets would disappear.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Shove it in the middle of Rome or Dakar and it might be a very different matter!

Or City Road, Cardiff. It's anarchy along there.

 

[stowie]

Or City Road, Cardiff. It's anarchy along there.

I looked up the street online

 

[stowie]

It has some rather tenuous arguments in it. For example it posits that one family might summon 3 robotaxis to drop the kids to school where they would previously have only used one car, but conveniently omits the idea that families might save money by carpooling so that one robo taxi actually picks up 5 kids in the same neighbourhood and takes them all to school, or that mom and dad now don't need a car, so many of the cars driving on the road or parked on streets would disappear.

Depends on the cost of the RoboTaxi. If cheap enough (and probably to start they will be cheap) then I can see huge numbers of generated journeys. If I may put on a "slight conspiracy theory" hat, I would expect the business model would be to flood the market with cheap taxis, then as other options dwindle (who would want to go on a bus if a taxi is cheaper?) and a monopoly is formed then prices go up.

On the parking, I don't get it. Robotaxis will need somewhere to sit when empty unless we expect them to aimlessly tour the streets between taxi rides. Sure, the number of Robotaxis would theoretically be lower than private vehicles because they would take multiple people on multiple trips, but that doesn't account for any model shift (eg. from buses) and no generated journeys. In reality I would expect many more journeys to be made and we end up solving very little with traffic or parking demands.

 

[Bazzer]

Musk ingratiated Tesla into China.
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/tesla-crash-brakes-musk-china-zhang-yazhou-b2697360.html

 

[CXRAndy]

Let's look at the article.

Chinese police determined the driver hadn't maintained a safe braking distance to the vehicle in front.

The woman made an unsubstantiated claim the brakes were faulty. Tesla proved in court the car's brakes were working.

She lost

Had she proved the brakes were at fault and her father had kept a safe distance then maybe she could have made public comments.

Difference between free speech and making unsubstantiated allegations in public


Why didn't she just say, I believe there may have been something wrong. It's cost her a pretty penny

Good news article 👍

 

[icowden]

Why didn't she just say, I believe there may have been something wrong. It's cost her a pretty penny

Now let's understand the news article.

It isn't about someone alleging that the brakes had failed on a Tesla and then being told they hadn't. It's about the willingness of a large multinational company willing to alienate their customers by suing them for damages.

Do you think this lady is
a) More likely to buy another Tesla
b) Never going to buy another Tesla
?

Most normal companies would take a position along the lines of "I'm really sorry you were involved in a collision, we really can't find any fault with the car though. We do hope that you and your father have recovered. We'd like to give you a complementary test drive if our new model (whatever) and if you choose to replace your car, we would be willing to offer you a 10% discount. We believe that our cars are the safest and most technologically advanced in the world and we'd love to be able to demonstrate that to you again."

Not "fook you, you piece of trash. How dare you speak ill of our vehicles. We'll see you in court"

 

[Psamathe]

Most normal companies would take a position along the lines of

Company I used to work for (and partially owned) we actually appreciated complaints. Every company makes mistakes and gets things wrong. Most customers don't complain but just take their business elsewhere. When somebody complains it tells you something you are doing wrong and you have the opportunity to put it right - so you both keep the complaining customer as a customer as well as avoiding lots of other non-complaining customers just silently not doing business with you in future.

Complaints and failures should be regarded as helping a company improve.

Ian

 

[Rusty Nails]

Difference between free speech and making unsubstantiated allegations in public

Irony truly is dead.

I had to check this post a few times to confirm it came from the forum's chief repeater of unsubstantiated allegations.

 

[icowden]

Irony truly is dead.

Private Eye's ironyometer has exploded several times in recent months.

 

[CXRAndy]

If you make unsubstantiated claims against a company, expect to be sued.

It obvious she was never going to buy a Tesla after this incident.

 

[Rusty Nails]

If you make unsubstantiated claims against a company, expect to be sued.

It obvious she was never going to buy a Tesla after this incident.

Especially one owned by a thin-skinned man-child with unlimited funds for litigation. Just ask Vernon Unsworth about the power of Musk’s money.

 

[CXRAndy]

Especially one owned by a thin-skinned man-child with unlimited funds for litigation. Just ask Vernon Unsworth about the power of Musk’s money.

Mr Unsworth himself added: "I respect the jury's decision.

I'd just like to say my legal team have been absolutely awesome. I came here for a verdict, unfortunately it's not gone the way I expected but I respect the jury's decision and thank them for that."

Jurors took less than an hour to return their unanimous verdict, following a four-day trial at a federal court in Los Angeles.

Jury foreman Joshua Jones said Mr Unsworth's legal team were unable to prove their case and should have focused more on the evidence.

"I think they tried to get our emotions involved in it," he was quoted as saying by the Associated Press news agency.

Clearly chancing his arm,

And lost the case

 

[icowden]

If you make unsubstantiated claims against a company, expect to be sued.
It obvious she was never going to buy a Tesla after this incident.

As with so much you post, that just isn't true in any respect. No companies other than Tesla sue their customers for speaking ill of a company.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Mr Unsworth himself added: "I respect the jury's decision.

Jury foreman Joshua Jones said Mr Unsworth's legal team were unable to prove their case and should have focused more on the evidence.

that shows two things:

1. Mr Unsworth was an adult.
2. Musk had a better legal team.