BRFR Cake Stop 'breaking news' miscellany

[First Aspect]

The other key trade detail is that the only significant products that America has to sell are oil, gas, soybeans and weaponry.
We can knock weaponry off the list as they can no longer be trusted.
US Oil and Gas are not needed as there are plenty of other vendors.
Soybeans can be obtained from Brazil.

The USA needs trade with the rest of the world because it imports almost everything outside of grain and meat/dairy. They need our machinery, pharmaceuticals, chemicals, scientific instruments etc, They need all their chips and tech from China. They need our Whiskey etc.

Trump seems to be blind to the fact that if you don't have anything anyone really wants, you aren't in a position to demand better deals.

It is an odd one. So we know the US could probably be self sufficient if necessary, but at a huge cost domestically. That aside, though, if he does all these trade deals, the world still has to buy stuff from the US, and other than some commodities, that stuff is typically more expensive and abitshit. Or alternatively made somewhere else already. So my prediction is even with prima facie lop sided trade deals, the US still won't win and won't make much of a dent in its deficit.

Tech and services are things that the US exports well, I suppose, but the orange one doesn't seem to recognise trade in services, because he's an octogenarian stuck in the past.

 

[Dorset Boy]

America's successes are Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Alphabet and Nvidia.
Three of those are effectively software companies which are well embedded globally, one is a sales model cloned across the world, one is replaceable by Android, and one actually makes pretty essential stuff.
Strangely they are also the biggest companies in the US by a distance.

As others have said, the US needs the rest of the world far more than the rest of the world needs the US

 

[Pross]

Our largest trading partner is the EU Steveo! Not the US.
I think Brian understands this better than you.
You are being a dick about this and you know it!

Careful with that Leftiebollox, you're being indoctrinated!

 

[Rusty Nails]

Unfortunately for him, he probably thought he was helping you. Thanks for that, Rusty

Just coming up with details that show why, although trade with the US is important, it will always be a distant second, and trade with the EU will always be more important.
How you use (or ignore) that info is up to you…and Mr Trumpet.

 

[briantrumpet]

I actually think your gravity model favours more trade with the EU. Given proximity and history, particularly recent history, we have much more culturally in common with a number of EU countries than we do with the US. Language is surely less important than it once was. Whereas the old saying , "two cultures separated by the same language" has never been more true than it is now.

I think it's Stevo's aspiration that the UK could be more like the US... low tax, low levels of social security & public healthcare, pisspoor public transport, loving big cars, rich people getting obscenely rich and pretty much avoid paying any tax at all, etc. OK, the gun deaths, the low average health outcomes, the road death statistics, chlorinated chicken, hormone-fed beef, and having an orange fascist shitgibbon as president might go in the debit column, but you can't have everything, eh?

The 'shared language' thing doesn't really signify anything at all, especially as they think that being pissed has nothing to do with drinking lots of beer.

 

[Dorset Boy]

Don't forget they wear their pants on the outside too Brian!

Are they also like the Aussies and wear their thongs on their feet?

 

[Psamathe]

That aside, though, if he does all these trade deals, the world still has to buy stuff from the US

America's successes are Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Alphabet and Nvidia.
Three of those are effectively software companies which are well embedded globally ...

I recently had to buy a new Apple MacBook. No stock of the spec I wanted in stores so ordered online. My computer was shipped directly to me from China (ie somebody in China printed a label with my address on and stuck it on a parcel containing one MacBook (no intermediate stock warehouse). So I treat that as my not buying from US but from China. Product might have been designed in US and profits might go to US. Bit like buying a phone containing an ARM designed processor you are not buying from the UK.

So I wonder if we actually do have to buy that much stuff from the US. From US headquartered companies maybe but from US?

Ian

 

[icowden]

So I wonder if we actually do have to buy that much stuff from the US. From US headquartered companies maybe but from US?

Yup. That's the point. Sales of American owned products are unaffected by Tariffs as they come from China, Taiwan etc. It's only the Americans who are affected because they have to pay the import tariff that the orange shitgibbon has implemented (and now rowed back on).

If anything we stand to benefit as Apple etc will likely have surplus product that they can no longer shift in the USA.

 

[Stevo 666]

Brexiter 2015: “We’ve got to get out of the EU, it’s become the United States of Europe and we’re losing our sovereignty. We are going to be centrally governed and have a shared army”

Brexiter 2025: “The EU is nothing like the US, it’s just a group of countries that share some trade rules”

For the purposes of debating whom we export to/import from the most, the 2025 statement is apprpriate.

The first one was sorted a while ago.

Missing the point again. Its just like Cake stop used to be 🙂

 

[Stevo 666]

Our largest trading partner is the EU Steveo! Not the US.
I think Brian understands this better than you.
You are being a dick about this and you know it!

RTFQ DB. I was referring to countries, and have said that more than once above. You're a bad as Brian.

 

[Stevo 666]

Just coming up with details that show why, although trade with the US is important, it will always be a distant second, and trade with the EU will always be more important.
How you use (or ignore) that info is up to you…and Mr Trumpet.

As above, missing my point. Not sure how clearer I can make it.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

As above, missing my point. Not sure how clearer I can make it.

Missing your point, not finding your jokes funny? What's wrong with folks these days?

 

[Stevo 666]

Missing your point, not finding your jokes funny? What's wrong with folks these days?

First one is probanly down to either thickness or unwillingness to face the facts. Second one, not bothered if some don't have a sense of humour. I mean, there are a lot of lefties on here which would go some way towards explaining both of these 🙂

 

[briantrumpet]

Bzzzt. Ad hominem.

 

[Pross]

It’s amazing how many people miss Stevo’s points. I wonder what conclusion we could get by applying Occam’s Razor?