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[briantrumpet]

I suspect that Cleverly won't win with this pitch – as someone else pointed out, it's almost as if Tories simply don't understand London any more: it's internationalist, pro-EU, pro-public transport and cycling *and* pro-business (well, if it weren't, it wouldn't be what it is).

The thing is, that with all the big data coming in, the attack lines on any pitches to roll back policies that have reduced deaths from motor traffic collisions and pollution now have considerable scientific backing, and at least in London, I think that recognising the tangible benefits are becoming more mainstream. Ian Duncan Smith condoning vandalising ULEZ cameras wasn't a good look even at the time, even less so now.

 

[secretsqirrel]

I suspect that Cleverly won't win with this pitch – as someone else pointed out, it's almost as if Tories simply don't understand London any more: it's internationalist, pro-EU, pro-public transport and cycling *and* pro-business (well, if it weren't, it wouldn't be what it is).

The thing is, that with all the big data coming in, the attack lines on any pitches to roll back policies that have reduced deaths from motor traffic collisions and pollution now have considerable scientific backing, and at least in London, I think that recognising the tangible benefits are becoming more mainstream. Ian Duncan Smith condoning vandalising ULEZ cameras wasn't a good look even at the time, even less so now.

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I was thinking the same. Successive London mayors including Boris have at least have tried to provide an alternative to the car. I think this might provide a clue to what London voters want.

 

[briantrumpet]

I was thinking the same. Successive London mayors including Boris have at least have tried to provide an alternative to the car. I think this might provide a clue to what London voters want.

I suspect the trouble for Cleverly is that the votes for anti-ULEZ and congestion charging are from those from outside London in places like, ooh, let's say Sevenoaks, whereas people who live in London, including a lot of the enlarged ULEZ zone, have realised that reducing car usage, and helping people who either can't afford a car or choose not to have one is a smart move, and life in a dense urban environment is better without as many cars.

Interestingly, on the latter, I think the votes for not prioritising cars (aka 'war on cars') comes from nearly all income levels, whereas the votes for anti-ULEZ will come from very narrow electoral groups.

 

[secretsqirrel]

I suspect the trouble for Cleverly is that the votes for anti-ULEZ and congestion charging are from those from outside London in places like, ooh, let's say Sevenoaks, whereas people who live in London, including a lot of the enlarged ULEZ zone, have realised that reducing car usage, and helping people who either can't afford a car or choose not to have one is a smart move, and life in a dense urban environment is better without as many cars.

Interestingly, on the latter, I think the votes for not prioritising cars (aka 'war on cars') comes from nearly all income levels, whereas the votes for anti-ULEZ will come from very narrow electoral groups.

It’s like the petition to overturn the ‘blanket’ 20mh speed limit in Wales. People from places such as Sevenoaks signed that aswell.

 

[icowden]

I suspect the trouble for Cleverly is that the votes for anti-ULEZ and congestion charging are from those from outside London in places like, ooh, let's say Sevenoaks,

Not to mention Surrey. The amount of moans I saw on Facebook regarding expansion of the ULEZ zone was incredible.
It basically boils down to "I can't take my crappy old car into Richmond / Kingston / Chessington any more without having to pay a surcharge". Especially from white van men.

 

[briantrumpet]

Not to mention Surrey. The amount of moans I saw on Facebook regarding expansion of the ULEZ zone was incredible.
It basically boils down to "I can't take my crappy old car into Richmond / Kingston / Chessington any more without having to pay a surcharge". Especially from white van men.

Sadly the "I should be able to drive my car where I like, when I like, even if it would be quicker to walk" brigade are still numerous and vocal in Exeter. Does my head in when they feel they've been mildly inconvenienced. I do think social media is awash with bad actors trying to inflame every single traffic issue, as well as people who are just too lazy to get out of their cars and car mindset.

 

[Beebo]

People who live in 20 zones like them.
People who drive through them don’t.
But the decision on whether the limit should be 20 should rest with the residents not the drivers.

 

[briantrumpet]

People who live in 20 zones like them.
People who drive through them don’t.
But the decision on whether the limit should be 20 should rest with the residents not the drivers.

It really ought to be essentially that simple in most cases, but drivers have rights that trump everyone else's, dontcha know?

 

[Dorset Boy]

I know if happens at all these big festivals, but it is an utter disgrace - the throwaway generation who will be the ones worst affected by increasing extremes in the weather. This is one of many photos online of the aftermath of the Reading Festival:

 

[icowden]

I know if happens at all these big festivals, but it is an utter disgrace - the throwaway generation who will be the ones worst affected by increasing extremes in the weather. This is one of many photos online of the aftermath of the Reading Festival:

It is, but it's all a bit handbags at dawn. The attendees pay to be able to do this.

Firstly, festival goers are asked to pack up and donate any reusable items. Then Charities and approved salvage teams recover usable tents, sleeping bags, non-perishable food etc and other equipment.

Then the cleaning team come in, and all of the rubbish is cleared and taken to off site processing facilities.

All of this is paid for by the event organisers. So by leaving their crap everywhere, all that happens is that the people doing it have to pay more for their tickets. It's usually particularly bad when the weather is awful because people don't want to pack muddy tents or put them in their cars.

 

[Pblakeney]

It is, but it's all a bit handbags at dawn. The attendees pay to be able to do this.

Firstly, festival goers are asked to pack up and donate any reusable items. Then Charities and approved salvage teams recover usable tents, sleeping bags, non-perishable food etc and other equipment.

Then the cleaning team come in, and all of the rubbish is cleared and taken to off site processing facilities.

All of this is paid for by the event organisers. So by leaving their crap everywhere, all that happens is that the people doing it have to pay more for their tickets. It's usually particularly bad when the weather is awful because people don't want to pack muddy tents or put them in their cars.

My default position is, if you can bring it then you can take it.
Pure laziness. I thought the young were strapped for cash?

 

[Beebo]

1 in 6 prisoners released into homelessness.

How can we hope to reduce long term incarceration when prisoners have absolutely no support to stop reoffending.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y5287j0y5o

 

[icowden]

Pure laziness. I thought the young were strapped for cash?

Is it worth £12.57 to put the effort into bringing the tent back?

https://www.millets.co.uk/products/...MIi56l4LLOlgMVeJZQBh2dLhgCEAQYAyABEgILKPD_BwE

Amazon has loads of tents around the £20 mark. The problem is that tents are now effectively disposable and who wants to take a £500 tent to a festival?

 

[Pblakeney]

Is it worth £12.57 to put the effort into bringing the tent back?

https://www.millets.co.uk/products/...MIi56l4LLOlgMVeJZQBh2dLhgCEAQYAyABEgILKPD_BwE

Amazon has loads of tents around the £20 mark. The problem is that tents are now effectively disposable and who wants to take a £500 tent to a festival?

If you brought it then you can take it.
Everything else is just an excuse.

 

[rakkor]

Maybe they need to have the entrance gates manned for exit, On entry you get an exit ticket green no tent, red tent , red ticket, no tent, no exit