BRFR Cake Stop 'breaking news' miscellany

[briantrumpet]

Look on the bright side: The Telegraph seems to be happy to tell us the good news.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

The reality for a large number of businesses.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...eu-deal-but-says-it-comes-four-years-too-late

 

[icowden]

In your humble opinion. Got the stats to back up that £100bn claim?

You are right. That was a gross underestimate on my part. I apologise.

There’s no definitive figure for the economic impact of Brexit. The analysis this is based on estimates the UK’s GDP is £130 billion lower in 2019 than it would have been had it followed pre-EU referendum trends. Between 1973 and 2018 the UK’s net contribution to the EU was £216 billion in real terms.

https://fullfact.org/europe/online-...pWzQ8Va7AE-f15624sSyG52_5X3LaiKYaAphKEALw_wcB

That is from 2020 though, so could be completely wrong.

Let's check - now trigger warning this article mentions Sadiq Khan and is about London's economy but Cambridge Econometrics survey estimate the cost of Brexit to the UK economy is £140bn rising to £300bn by 2035.
https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-uk-economy-almost-ps140billion-smaller-because-brexit

 

[briantrumpet]

I must admit to a certain amount of schadenfreude (there I go again!) at all the frothing at the mouth... the Brexiteers pretty much got everything they wanted, and more, were in charge for eight years from the vote, can barely manage to cite a concrete benefit, screwed up the relationship with our nearest trading bloc, and are now getting all pissy about Starmer taking baby pragmatic steps to undoing the worst of the damage. I suspect it's because they still haven't accepted that Britain didn't hold all the cards, they negotiated a crap deal, and haven't come to terms with the Brexit itself being yesterday's news. When even the fishing industry is welcoming the new deal, you know that something has shifted.

Maybe the eventual settled state will be more like Switzerland or Norway... but at this stage, who knows? Probably too early to tell... I'll not hold my breath.

 

[matticus]

Great news. Netflix have picked up the rights to long running subversive socialist propaganda outlet Sesame Street.

Today's letter is O. For Orange.

farking Commies!!!

 

[First Aspect]

I must admit to a certain amount of schadenfreude (there I go again!) at all the frothing at the mouth... the Brexiteers pretty much got everything they wanted, and more, were in charge for eight years from the vote, can barely manage to cite a concrete benefit, screwed up the relationship with our nearest trading bloc, and are now getting all pissy about Starmer taking baby pragmatic steps to undoing the worst of the damage. I suspect it's because they still haven't accepted that Britain didn't hold all the cards, they negotiated a crap deal, and haven't come to terms with the Brexit itself being yesterday's news. When even the fishing industry is welcoming the new deal, you know that something has shifted.

Maybe the eventual settled state will be more like Switzerland or Norway... but at this stage, who knows? Probably too early to tell... I'll not hold my breath.

He's started already to say that Brexit is yesterday's news. You watch - every time BadEnoch steps up to the dispatch box foaming about this, he'll just say get over it, yesterday's news.

It's a good strategy. I don't think people in general are anywhere near as exercised about somehow "winning against" the EU as the right wing politicians think they are.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

He's started already to say that Brexit is yesterday's news. You watch - every time BadEnoch steps up to the dispatch box foaming about this, he'll just say get over it, yesterday's news.

It's a good strategy. I don't think people in general are anywhere near as exercised about somehow "winning against" the EU as the right wing politicians think they are.

I think he should actually start pretending not to know what Brexit is, a bit like when Mariah Carey fell out with J-Lo and pretended not to know who she was. That would be the ultimate 'diss' (to use a term from my younger days!).

 

[briantrumpet]

He's started already to say that Brexit is yesterday's news. You watch - every time BadEnoch steps up to the dispatch box foaming about this, he'll just say get over it, yesterday's news.

It's a good strategy. I don't think people in general are anywhere near as exercised about somehow "winning against" the EU as the right wing politicians think they are.

I think his political instincts on this one have been better than in using the problematic phrases about immigration.

Back on CS, I suggested that Starmer the technocrat would seek to make 'technical improvements' to the agreement that lessened its impact and would show through in improved trade & better mood music. There I suggested that eventually the big steps of SM & CU would eventually become a 'so what?' issue, and that could be when the UK might be ready to think about rejoining. Whether that ever happens, I've no idea, but baby steps are welcome.

It's not impossible that the RW press frothing at the mouth at this very modest amelioration will mean that they can't keep on pulling the stunt at each little 'technical improvement'... crying wolf, and all that jazz.

 

[briantrumpet]

FWIW... and if the visible bits of the deal are actually noticed (e.g. e-gates, Erasmus, youth mobility and easier trading) positively, the dial will keep shifting, particularly as the older gammons die off. Looks like the status quo remains quite an unsexy sell, just that now the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[Pross]

Listening to the radio in the car earlier and Badenoch was responding to Starmer's EU deal. She made a comment about 'in politics details matter'. It got one of the most genuine sounding laughs I've ever heard in parliament. As an aside, she really does sound like someone debating for their A level politics course - so wooden and bad plus pretty much everything she says can be responded to with 'but last Tory government'.

 

[Ian H]

That YouGov! Causing trouble again, telling us what people really think. They'd better be careful, or Starmer might see it.

 

[briantrumpet]

Listening to the radio in the car earlier and Badenoch was responding to Starmer's EU deal. She made a comment about 'in politics details matter'. It got one of the most genuine sounding laughs I've ever heard in parliament. As an aside, she really does sound like someone debating for their A level politics course - so wooden and bad plus pretty much everything she says can be responded to with 'but last Tory government'.

I think she doesn't have a reputation as a 'details person'.... more of a 'no details person', from what I read. And I can't imagine her ever laughing at herself.

To be fair, she's got a tough job after the catastrophes of the Tory government and the electoral drubbing, but I suspect she's still there as no-one wants the job anyway, and even if there were, I can't think of anyone who'd have enough of a profile (or the skill) to make an impact in any way.

 

[secretsqirrel]

I think she doesn't have a reputation as a 'details person'.... more of a 'no details person', from what I read. And I can't imagine her ever laughing at herself.

To be fair, she's got a tough job after the catastrophes of the Tory government and the electoral drubbing, but I suspect she's still there as no-one wants the job anyway, and even if there were, I can't think of anyone who'd have enough of a profile (or the skill) to make an impact in any way.

The Tory party have bullet holes in their feet after the great purge of 2019.

 

[Pross]

I think she doesn't have a reputation as a 'details person'.... more of a 'no details person', from what I read. And I can't imagine her ever laughing at herself.

To be fair, she's got a tough job after the catastrophes of the Tory government and the electoral drubbing, but I suspect she's still there as no-one wants the job anyway, and even if there were, I can't think of anyone who'd have enough of a profile (or the skill) to make an impact in any way.

No, she wasn't laughing at herself. There was a genuine sounding guffaw from pretty much everyone else when she said it and Starmer just basically shot it back at her.

 

[Pblakeney]

I think she doesn't have a reputation as a 'details person'.... more of a 'no details person', from what I read. And I can't imagine her ever laughing at herself.

To be fair, she's got a tough job after the catastrophes of the Tory government and the electoral drubbing, but I suspect she's still there as no-one wants the job anyway, and even if there were, I can't think of anyone who'd have enough of a profile (or the skill) to make an impact in any way.

Fairly sure that back in the BR days it was pretty much agreed that no sensible politician would want the job.
She is pretty much the "rebound girlfriend" to tide over until ready for a real relationship.