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An architect BR forumite not of this new parish posted a graph, yes a graph, with a turning point of deaths/serious injuries at about 30 mph. It was really quite persuasive and tipped me personally from on the fence to being unable in good conscience to object.

At this point, opposition to 20 zones in residential and high pedestrian areas is up there with resistance to seatbelt use on the grounds that they prevent people from being safely thrown away from the vehicle.

He did join didn't he, but stopped posting after a few days? A few of the old BR lot drifted off after a couple of weeks.

As someone that resolutely sticks to speed limits, I am in full support of 20mph in built up areas, and anyone in general that gets caught speeding should have an immediate 3 month ban, if they get caught again it is 12 months and a 3rd time you lose your licence for good. Never going to happen but I think this would be far more effective than the points system.
 
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What's great is that I needn't feel bad about going 80 in a 60 zone because I'm going to kill anyone I hit anyway.

I remember talking to a policeman who was both firearm trained and did motorway speed checks. He took the speeding stuff just as seriously as the armed stuff, as when he talked about reaction time and stopping distances, it was clear he'd seen the consequences in terms of life & death, and gave no quarter to those who did over 80 on motorways. (I know you're joking, BTW.)
 
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He did join didn't he, but stopped posting after a few days? A few of the old BR lot drifted off after a couple of weeks.

As someone that resolutely sticks to speed limits, I am in full support of 20mph in built up areas, and anyone in general that gets caught speeding should have an immediate 3 month ban, if they get caught again it is 12 months and a 3rd time you lose your licence for good. Never going to happen but I think this would be far more effective than the points system.

RJS occasionally posts in the Creative Photography thread, but I think that's the limit of his activities on here, pretty much.
 

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My car has a ping noise set to go off at 78. Seriously.

Personally, I use speed limiter a lot. It wouldn't bother me terribly if my car didn't let me speed. I would miss the odd blat along an A road but frankly these are less enjoyable than they used to be, and less enjoyable than a descent on a road you know on a bicycle.
 

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Yes, I understand that, could be I suppose. However, as foolish as it may be, the major reason for voting "leave" given (at the time) was the "rules and sovereignty" trope. Now, that may be just because people didnt want to openly appear racist, of course. But, most of the stuff I have read about who voted what and why does not match with my personal experience.

This is the bit that unreconciled remainers seemingly can't grasp. It wasn't about economics for most: it was about the freedom to make our own decisions as a country and not get bogged down in EU bureaucracy.

I'm sure that there has been an economic hit caused by Brexit, although exactly what it is will never be known as the parallel universe where we never left doesn't exist. However this is the point that the unreconciled remainers continually bang on about - and usually try to exaggerate. Although how that will make any difference to the situation I am not sure as it is pretty clear we are not rejoining - given that no major political party is even considering it.
 

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My car has a ping noise set to go off at 78. Seriously.

Personally, I use speed limiter a lot. It wouldn't bother me terribly if my car didn't let me speed. I would miss the odd blat along an A road but frankly these are less enjoyable than they used to be, and less enjoyable than a descent on a road you know on a bicycle.

I'm guessing that is to warn you about the speed at which most police forces will prosecute for speeding in a 70 zone based on the '10%+2' rule. Quite handy to know really. I find the 'head up' display in my car is useful to keep an eye on my speed.
 

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I'm guessing that is to warn you about the speed at which most police forces will prosecute for speeding in a 70 zone based on the '10%+2' rule. Quite handy to know really. I find the 'head up' display in my car is useful to keep an eye on my speed.
I set it myself for that reason. Head up displays should arguably be a mandated safety measure.
 
This is the bit that unreconciled remainers seemingly can't grasp. It wasn't about economics for most: it was about the freedom to make our own decisions as a country and not get bogged down in EU bureaucracy.

I'm sure that there has been an economic hit caused by Brexit, although exactly what it is will never be known as the parallel universe where we never left doesn't exist. However this is the point that the unreconciled remainers continually bang on about - and usually try to exaggerate. Although how that will make any difference to the situation I am not sure as it is pretty clear we are not rejoining - given that no major political party is even considering it.

I think most Remain voters do grasp the argument around freedom to make decisions (let's call it 'soverignty') for arguments sake. The issue with this is that when you look at it in practice, that argument IMO isn't really that robust.

Firstly, we have always had sovereignty in many aspects, the UK has its own laws which govern us as citizens and are not open to external influence/interference. The idea that we were massively exposed to EU laws and 'interference' was (again IMO) pretty largely exaggerated.

If you are talking about areas such as trade, then this is always an area that is going to be about quid pro quo, all trade is relational and involves compromise. Leaving the EU did admittedly give us more freedom to make trade deals but it still leaves us exposed to other countries imposing rules and governance on us in relation to trading with them. I don't think it is worth making the argument that we can just choose not to make a deal in that case, as that is hardly a problem solver.

If we talk about the big issue, immigration, I would also argue that we have less freedom to make decisions of any consequence than we had within the EU. As has been previously discussed on these threads, one of the main concerns for Brexit voters was migrant boat crossings. The argument with leaving the EU was that we would have more power to stop this, or deal with the issue. As this essentially means trying to return people to the country where they left prior to crossing (usually France), your ability to do this requires an agreement with that country. As we are no longer part of the EU, having such an agreement with the French is pretty much impossible. I would again argue, that this somewhat diminishes our ability to make decisions and in this particularly instance, EU 'bureaucracy' is actually a benefit.

The Brexit argument is often that remainers don't "get it". Many do, we just don't believe that leaving the EU was some panacea that delivered some vague notion of sovereignty back to the British people, largely because all Democratic countries will always be a mix of existing 'sovereign' aspects and will also have to engage in co-operation with other countries that require give and take to get a good outcome.
 

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I'm guessing that is to warn you about the speed at which most police forces will prosecute for speeding in a 70 zone based on the '10%+2' rule. Quite handy to know really. I find the 'head up' display in my car is useful to keep an eye on my speed.

I find that driving an EV keeps an eye on my speed. Most of the time the car is controlling it and going over 70 kills range so isn't worth it.
Another of the many benefits of EVs.
 
I don't think a drop from 30 mph to 20 causes much hardship. It takes a bit of getting used to when it changes but I haven't noticed it massively cause congestion problems. It just means being more aware with your driving, which a lot of people can't be arsed to do.
 
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