First Aspect
Senior Member
Every reaction has an opposite and equal action?
He's entitled to talk nonsense in a personal capacity I expect.
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Every reaction has an opposite and equal action?
He's entitled to talk nonsense in a personal capacity I expect.
Ian H
Squire
It's a bit more complicated. It's likely to hurt EU exporters through reduced sales or, if they reduce their prices to offset the tariff, reduced profits.
It'll hurt the US importers, wholesalers, retailers unless they can find local alternative supplies. It's a lose-lose situation (which is not to say that tariffs are always bad).
It'll hurt the US importers, wholesalers, retailers unless they can find local alternative supplies. It's a lose-lose situation (which is not to say that tariffs are always bad).
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briantrumpet
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Yes, it's more complicated, but that doesn't mean that the BBC's headline isn't plain wrong, factually. They've just repeated Trump's mendacious framing, which is suboptimal for a supposedly unbiased news org.
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briantrumpet
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This is quite a good piece on the cost of nimbyism - there's actually more to it than that, but when tourism is your only real industry, it seems short-sighted to throttle it and the economy.
https://capx.co/nimby-watch-the-politician-wrecking-skyes-economy
https://capx.co/nimby-watch-the-politician-wrecking-skyes-economy
Pblakeney
Senior Member
Having holidayed in Skye a few time over the years my observation is that it has got busier and busier. As a result it is getting less and less pleasant to visit. To the point where we have stopped going. If anything Skye is being ruined by having too many visitors.
I guarantee that if people go there having seen something on Insta then they are going to be disappointed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c939qg6w26ko
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briantrumpet
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The difficulty is that if that really is the only source of income for locals, what's Plan B? It's all very well disliking (other) tourists, but they do keep many economies afloat, not least Cornwall and where I am now: the six weeks of summer effectively make the three supermarkets and all the other independent shops profitable for the rest of the year, from which the local locals (and people like me who come out of season) benefit year-round. The thrust of the argument is that young people will have to leave anyway if there's no economic activity.
It's another side of the economics of somewhere like Dartmoor, which once sustained profitable farming, but now the farming is paid for by their work in keeping it looking like tourists want it to look (ditto the Lake District): take that source of income away, and it would turn into an uneconomic wilderness. Granted, ecologically, that might not be a bad thing, but there would bw a major economic hit by disregarding tourism, and communities would disappear.
Pblakeney
Senior Member
The trouble is that very few young people get employed in the tourist industry. People drive up and stay in rented accommodation or camper vans. They either bring all their supplies or top up at the supermarket (singular from my memory). They then drive to the tourist sights, snap a photo and move onto the next one. Back to the accommodation and repeat. Very little prospect of employment within that model.
The odd hotel and some bars/restaurants may benefit but that's it.
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briantrumpet
Veteran
Maybe, but that's still money in the local economy, if done sensibly. What's your Plan B for Skye?
First Aspect
Senior Member
You say that but Skye and it's economy existed 20 years ago when it was merely busy, but there was still scope to find quiet parts. And it still managed to have one of the highest UK qualities of life for the residents. The economy is quite so tourist biased now because of the growth of that sector over that period.
Part of the issue, frankly, is the right to roam again, because they are inundated with camper vans, and aside from buying petrol and the odd packet of biscuits, they aren't actually doing much other than clog up passing places where they decide to live for a few days before they bugger off to the next Instagrammable spot.
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briantrumpet
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Sounds like there's a revenue stream to be tapped then. Isn't the answer to tax/charge more heavily then, to modify behaviour? Sounds like they are missing some tricks, given the demand.
First Aspect
Senior Member
Well the story was about taxing seconds homes Brian, much as they do here.in the west country. As far as I am aware, theres nothing they can do about camper vans, aside from by laws, which would be imposed by local councils. And to be fair i don't know what's happening on that front. I do know that Midlithian and Edinburgh councils were unable or unwilling to do anything that might be construed as limiting access to the countryside, so they struggled to don nything at all other than the odd red route.
Pblakeney
Senior Member
As FA says, the only way is to reduce traffic but how do you implement that legally?
As ever, if there was an easy solution it would already be in place.
As for my solution, for starters while I would keep the “right to roam” I would restrict it to walking with camping and vans in designated sites only. That won’t be popular, and no more professional photographers camping overnight on the top of mountains which would be a pity.
Fishermen/people wouldn’t be happy either, and the list will go on and on, so it won’t happen.
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briantrumpet
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Politico, along with so much of the US media, is so lost. They really do feel threatened by someone who at the moment is just a candidate in a mayoral election. Weirdly, they don't mention potential opponents. A good test of how much scrutiny they are giving his opponents is whether you know who they are.
