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Ian H

Squire
Veering off-subject; declining.
 
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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

Veteran
Must admit it's been sooo hard to navigate the plastic bag charge. Daily Mail right again.

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Psamathe

Über Member
I think this is good, isn't it? (And I don't mean just a graph with two clearly-labelled axes that start at zero)

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To me it highlights that a correlation is not causation. GDP is something that increases over time so plotting GDP on the X-axis is a non-linear way of plotting time so possible it's an effect from eg more efficient use of energy over time as houses better insulated, cars more mpg, TVs lower power use, LED lights, etc. all nothing to do with GDP. Or many other metrics eg use number of people attending speed awareness courses in the UK (which has been increasing year on year) and you'd see a similar shaped plot.

Ian
 

BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
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To me it highlights that a correlation is not causation. GDP is something that increases over time so plotting GDP on the X-axis is a non-linear way of plotting time so possible it's an effect from eg more efficient use of energy over time as houses better insulated, cars more mpg, TVs lower power use, LED lights, etc. all nothing to do with GDP. Or many other metrics eg use number of people attending speed awareness courses in the UK (which has been increasing year on year) and you'd see a similar shaped plot.

Ian

True.

I would guess that increasing COST of energy may be the driving force, for increased efficiencies (if indeed there have been any).

There is also the "Covid effect" in that time period, perhaps all of those furloughed people used less energy at home, than they did at work?
 

matticus

Guru
I think this is good, isn't it? (And I don't mean just a graph with two clearly-labelled axes that start at zero)

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Phwoarrrrrrrrrrr!!!
 

Psamathe

Über Member
I would guess that increasing COST of energy may be the driving force, for increased efficiencies (if indeed there have been any).
I agree but also it goes back right to 1965 and back then I was a child and our new build family house had solid brick walls, no insulating air gap, no insulation. Back then a fuel efficient car was 30 mpg, light bulbs all incandescent.

Back then pollution and Climate Change was not an issue. Back in 1965 at home we'd have an open coal fire pouring lots of nasty stuff and hot air up the open chimney.

But we've improved a lot on those days but as you say maybe in part because of costs.

Ian
 

matticus

Guru
To me it highlights that a correlation is not causation. GDP is something that increases over time so plotting GDP on the X-axis is a non-linear way of plotting time so possible it's an effect from eg more efficient use of energy over time as houses better insulated, cars more mpg, TVs lower power use, LED lights, etc. all nothing to do with GDP. Or many other metrics eg use number of people attending speed awareness courses in the UK (which has been increasing year on year) and you'd see a similar shaped plot.

Ian


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BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
South Tyneside
I agree but also it goes back right to 1965 and back then I was a child and our new build family house had solid brick walls, no insulating air gap, no insulation. Back then a fuel efficient car was 30 mpg, light bulbs all incandescent.

Back then pollution and Climate Change was not an issue. Back in 1965 at home we'd have an open coal fire pouring lots of nasty stuff and hot air up the open chimney.

But we've improved a lot on those days but as you say maybe in part because of costs.

Ian

Ah yes, the 60s, I was 18 in 1965. I had graduated from my Francis Barnett 2-stroke motorcycle to driving around in a 1954 Ford Anglia 100E (side valve). Speed limit of 70mph introduced, of little consequence to me, such speeds were only possible downhill and with a tail wind, in my elderly Ford. Our Council house had heating (coal fire) in only one room, no central heating. Vietnam War in full swing,
 
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