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[midlandsgrimpeur]

The arguments about generational trauma are nuanced and there is no doubt that the UK benefited from Empire.
But hasn’t it always been the case that the most powerful nation at what ever time, takes economic advantage of the weaker nations. The UK has a good run at it, but our time has passed and other countries have taken over the dominance.
Slavery has been abolished but there are still plenty of horrible things happening.
But these arguments are all a bit silly. Where do you draw the line on historical injustices?
My ancestry is mainly Germanic and Scandinavian. I suspect there has been a fair bit of rape and pillaging in my family line. Bloody vikings owe me 5,000 Danegeld.

There is no historical equivalent to slavery though, and it is not about strong nations taking advantage of weaker nations, it is the singular act of a group of people being captured and enslaved against their will for the economic benefit of another group. Slaves were tortured, raped, murdered at will, and don't forget in the USA this went in into our parents lifetime.

Slavery is also the direct precursor to all modern forms of racism, being based on the notion that certain skin colours make a person inferior and therefore it was acceptable to enslave them.

White people (I am white) telling black people how they should feel about slavery, its direct links to their negative experiences as black people in the modern world, and to forget about reparations is slightly patronising IMO.

Trump is currently running an entire authoritarian playbook off the back of decades of white resentment towards civil rights and an inherent core of white supremacy still in effect today.

Put it this way, in 1960's America, a black man could be dragged from his house at night by a mob, beaten half to death, castrated and hung to death from a burning cross and nobody would ever be prosecuted for it. All for being black.

So when black people ask for slavery reparations perhaps they have a point.

 

[Ian H]

Laura Trevelyan and a few other descendants of slaver families are doing just that

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Trevelyan

I think something that needs to be considered is that slave owners were compensated for the loss of their "property" upon the abolition of slavery, whereas the freed slaves were left pretty much to their own devices.

It was often worse than that. The freed slaves were mostly destitute and thus effectively forced into indentured labour. The conditions were worse in that their employers would deduct rent and cost of food, etc. Racism meant they were still unable to gain better employment.

 

[Pblakeney]

There is no historical equivalent to slavery though, and it is not about strong nations taking advantage of weaker nations, it is the singular act of a group of people being captured and enslaved against their will for the economic benefit of another group. Slaves were tortured, raped, murdered at will, and don't forget in the USA this went in into our parents lifetime.

Slavery is also the direct precursor to all modern forms of racism, being based on the notion that certain skin colours make a person inferior and therefore it was acceptable to enslave them.

White people (I am white) telling black people how they should feel about slavery, its direct links to their negative experiences as black people in the modern world, and to forget about reparations is slightly patronising IMO.

Trump is currently running an entire authoritarian playbook off the back of decades of white resentment towards civil rights and an inherent core of white supremacy still in effect today.

Put it this way, in 1960's America, a black man could be dragged from his house at night by a mob, beaten half to death, castrated and hung to death from a burning cross and nobody would ever be prosecuted for it. All for being black.

So when black people ask for slavery reparations perhaps they have a point.

All true. No argument.
Except slavery did not begin, or end, in the 19th century.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Laura Trevelyan and a few other descendants of slaver families are doing just that

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Trevelyan

I think something that needs to be considered is that slave owners were compensated for the loss of their "property" upon the abolition of slavery, whereas the freed slaves were left pretty much to their own devices.

My wife did my family ancestry several years ago. One of my grandparents was Austrian and one Italian whose families came over here more than 100 years ago to escape poverty, and the others came from very poor country and factory worker stock in West Wales and the Black Country (not meant ironically!).

Not a slave owner in sight, so well done, wealthy Ms Trevelyan but I'll pass.

 

[Beebo]

Slavery is also the direct precursor to all modern forms of racism, being based on the notion that certain skin colours make a person inferior and therefore it was acceptable to enslave them.

The Greeks and Romans were racist long before that. And they also had slaves.

it’s sadly human nature to favour your own tribe.

I condemn racism in all its forms. The question is should the modern day population pay for the sins of the past. I don’t see how that can help.

 

[AndyRM]

View: https://youtu.be/xCtPBFHKSNg?si=PCknTkT7CK4KWTCl

 

[matticus]

I watched some of Question Time last night. Fiona was kept very busy refereeing!

I quite enjoyed it, as the main parties' reps really said what they thought.

Probably just confirming my biases, but Green Zack came out of it best, Reform guy easily worst.

Good fun watching Labour guy tiptoeing around all sides of the question:
"Does Trump deserve the Nobel peace prize"

 

[CXRAndy]

Probably just confirming my biases, but Green Zack came out of it best

I missed the bit where he promised women , he could help the grow bigger boob's


Edit found it

 

[CXRAndy]

He renames himself as some 1960s film maker, what a dickhead

View: https://x.com/TheBritishIntel/status/1976533604982296660?t=wJ9_sWnxM6aSZPR1urjVIQ&s=19

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/PiersUncensored/status/1976370832198025505?t=Yug4CfXjDhR4aAlFnptUPQ&s=19

 

[briantrumpet]

But it's OK because it's cars.

https://www.construction-physics.com/p/why-are-so-many-pedestrians-killed

 

[AuroraSaab]

View: https://x.com/PiersUncensored/status/1976370832198025505?t=Yug4CfXjDhR4aAlFnptUPQ&s=19

Bit of a car crash for Polanski. I usually find calling politicians nicknames a bit childish but I did laugh the other day when I saw him described as the Tit Wizard. The Boob Wisperer is the other one he gets.

 

[First Aspect]

For context, per capita that's about 3.5 times higher than the UK.

Illegible road signs, multilane roads half a mile wide, turn signals on cars that are the same colour as several of the other lights, phone use and vast vehicles are all probably factors.

 

[First Aspect]

Bit of a car crash for Polanski. I usually find calling politicians nicknames a bit childish but I did laugh the other day when I saw him described as the Tit Wizard. The Boob Wisperer is the other one he gets.

He is short on media training. Someone needs to tell him that "winning" an argument won't help, particularly if he doesn't.

 

[matticus]

He is short on media training. Someone needs to tell him that "winning" an argument won't help, particularly if he doesn't.

I just saw him plainly stating beliefs, and his party's line. (The Reform Guy brought up the Tit Wizard thing, which he didn't deny).Are you talking about Question Time? Or something on Kids TV?