BRFR Cake Stop 'breaking news' miscellany

[CXRAndy]

I know of several medics who have left for Australia.

They worked hard, get better pay.

The weather and lifestyle is much nicer with far less crowded towns and cities.

 

[Pross]

I do think the likes of Dubai and Abu Dhabi have become a lot more popular, even if only for a 5 year period of higher wages, and no tax, for some.

It wasn't a great place to be when the GFC struck if you had any debts over there. The car parks were full of dumped cars as people got out of the country. It's the sort of thing people don't think of when going oversees, I'm sure it can be great in the good times though.

 

[Pross]

They were reporting on the radio (BBC R4) this morning that a lot of 30'ish year olds working in the health service are emigrating to Australia where they get higher pay, more civilised working conditions, are welcomed, etc. That said, it was from an interviewee and I can't remember who or what organisation and no numbers so probably true but uncertain how significant.

They'll also be attracting the non-UK immigrants that we rely on making it even worse recruiting in the UK. As others have said why would the 'right' immigrants come here when they see people like them being made unwelcome as well as the issues that are supposedly seeing Brits leaving in their droves when they have more attractive options?

 

[Psamathe]

They'll also be attracting the non-UK immigrants that we rely on making it even worse recruiting in the UK. As others have said why would the 'right' immigrants come here when they see people like them being made unwelcome as well as the issues that are supposedly seeing Brits leaving in their droves when they have more attractive options?

Particularly so when it's the elected Government stirring up the "We're being as nasty as we can get away with towards immigrants" laws, feelings, etc.

 

[BoldonLad]

Because they are usually claiming to be leaving the UK because they don’t like the way the country is going and it’s full of foreigners.
The people claiming most to support traditional British values are the first to leave when the going gets tough.

Is there any reliable information to support that statement?

Maybe they are leaving because of the cost of living/taxation.

During the Doctors strike, we were regularly told that "many" doctors were leaving the UK for more more lucrative work in Australia.

 

[briantrumpet]

The poverty and exploitation of the Indian, far east and African workforce is appalling.

You seem to think that that's seen as a negative by the people emigrating there to reduce their tax bills.

 

[BoldonLad]

I do think the likes of Dubai and Abu Dhabi have become a lot more popular, even if only for a 5 year period of higher wages, and no tax, for some.

I don't know about now, but, during my working life, that was just about the only reason to go there.

Have "done" Bahrain and Dubai (which at that time were considered "better" places), would not want to live there, racial discrimination was an art form.

 

[BoldonLad]

You seem to think that that's seen as a negative by the people emigrating there to reduce their tax bills.

Perhaps they do not appreciate the scale of the issue, until they get there?

 

[briantrumpet]

Perhaps they do not appreciate the scale of the issue, until they get there?

So they can research how to emigrate to a low-tax country but be completely unaware of how Middle East countries/kingdoms treat immigrants? I'd suggest that that is wilful ignorance. "There's none so blind as those who will not see" comes to mind. No press freedom, terrible human rights. no democracy. It's hardly a secret.

 

[icowden]

During the Doctors strike, we were regularly told that "many" doctors were leaving the UK for more more lucrative work in Australia.

Which was not actually accurate. Senior doctors on good salaries were not leaving the UK. Newly minted Junior doctors on the other hand were looking at the NHS salary which has been reduced for years and then leaving for Australia where they actually get paid a decent wage for the 7 years of medical training that they have undergone.

An Australian GP earns about £248k for 40 hours per week. In the UK £90k for 38.4 hours. Surgeons and consultants earn between AUS134k to AUS $334k whereas in the UK it's from $104k to $144k. However, if the Consultant also does private practice they can add up to $200AUS onto that NHS salary.

Thusly a Senior Consultant is less likely to want to go to Australia. For a Junior Doctor it's incredibly appealing.

 

[BoldonLad]

So they can research how to emigrate to a low-tax country but be completely unaware of how Middle East countries/kingdoms treat immigrants? I'd suggest that that is wilful ignorance. "There's none so blind as those who will not see" comes to mind. No press freedom, terrible human rights. no democracy. It's hardly a secret.

You have a very high expectation of how carefully people "research" things, IMHO. Do you spend a lot of time being disappointed by people?

 

[briantrumpet]

You have a very high expectation of how carefully people "research" things, IMHO. Do you spend a lot of time being disappointed by people?

Depends. But if they are going to uproot themselves to a Middle East country because of how 'terrible' it is in the UK and how unfair the taxes here are without looking at the ME countries' wider issues, then 'disappointed' is not the word (or phrase) I'd use.

 

[BoldonLad]

Depends. But if they are going to uproot themselves to a Middle East country because of how 'terrible' it is in the UK and how unfair the taxes here are without looking at the ME countries' wider issues, then 'disappointed' is not the word (or phrase) I'd use.

I think you overstate the case. Many, in fact most, I would suggest are not “uprooting”, they see an opportunity to make a bit of money, the “terrible” bit may be vaguely a factor, but, it is not the main factor. They do not “uproot”, the rent out their house, paying a bit off the mortgage, and, hopefully getting some increase in value. Add in a bit of adventure or change, and I would say that sums up the logic of most.

 

[First Aspect]

Which was not actually accurate. Senior doctors on good salaries were not leaving the UK. Newly minted Junior doctors on the other hand were looking at the NHS salary which has been reduced for years and then leaving for Australia where they actually get paid a decent wage for the 7 years of medical training that they have undergone.

An Australian GP earns about £248k for 40 hours per week. In the UK £90k for 38.4 hours. Surgeons and consultants earn between AUS134k to AUS $334k whereas in the UK it's from $104k to $144k. However, if the Consultant also does private practice they can add up to $200AUS onto that NHS salary.

Thusly a Senior Consultant is less likely to want to go to Australia. For a Junior Doctor it's incredibly appealing.

Something os wrong with those figures. g
GPs in Aus don't earn 4x the salary of a surgeon. And a consultant in the UK doesn't earn £50k.

 

[Pblakeney]

I think you overstate the case. Many, in fact most, I would suggest are not “uprooting”, they see an opportunity to make a bit of money, the “terrible” bit may be vaguely a factor, but, it is not the main factor. They do not “uproot”, the rent out their house, paying a bit off the mortgage, and, hopefully getting some increase in value. Add in a bit of adventure or change, and I would say that sums up the logic of most.

The icing on the cake is that they can pay off the mortgage on return if done correctly.