BRFR Cake Stop 'breaking news' miscellany

[First Aspect]

You can't make the argument that they are paying for a degree, otherwise someone who fails would be entitled to a refund.

You also can't make the argument that they haven't paid when they have a debt. I assume they are after debt reduction rather than a cash windfall.

And yes, the strength of their claim in front of a judge will be based on whether the terms of the contract have been met. But no one here is commenting on the strength of their legal position, they are commenting on the moral position. Plus if UCL have settled, it can't be that simple

They were borrowing for the opportunity to earn a degree. I repeat, there's no evidence that any fewer of them succeeded, nor that grades were detrimentally impacted. Quite the opposite, in fact.

It is a debt like no other, because it eventually ceases to exist if you don't pay it back. And the payment terms aren't proportional to the amount borrowed. So analogies to other loans break down quite quickly.

Universities settling despite the merits of a case seems to be in vogue. It's most likely a pragmatic decision based on £500+/h fees.

As far as I can tell, the cause of action is that the students were deprived the opportunity to get shiftfaced, hump someone they normally wouldn't if the lighting had been better, puke in some toilets they were lucky enought to get to in time and make it home without really knowing how.

 

[Psamathe]

I'd assume you paid less for remote learning.

No. Same fees as those attending, same course, same points, same degree.

 

[icowden]

It is a debt like no other, because it eventually ceases to exist if you don't pay it back. And the payment terms aren't proportional to the amount borrowed. So analogies to other loans break down quite quickly.

Martin Lewis always says to consider it as a Graduate Income Tax as you only pay it when you have income. He also advises for parents that aren't filthy rich, it's better to take the loans and then just pay your child the loan repayment part of their paycheck so that they aren't penalised.

 

[PurplePenguin]

No. Same fees as those attending, same course, same points, same degree.

Fair enough, but open university is a bit cheaper and online private schools are much cheaper than normal private schools.

 

[Dorset Boy]

Is this also the latest fad of some scumbag ambulance chasing legal firm(s)?
How will they look to cream off their typical 35%v commission?

 

[briantrumpet]

Dontcha just love billionaires?

 

[BoldonLad]

Dontcha just love billionaires?

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Perhaps someone should have foreseen this rather obvious development?

The law of unintended consequences strikes again.

 

[Pross]

It would be amusing if the Local Authorities refused to give them contracts.

 

[briantrumpet]

Perhaps someone should have foreseen this rather obvious development?

The law of unintended consequences strikes again.

Reminiscent of Johnson's giving a few day's notice of covid lockdowns, so people could travel far and wide before they took effect.

 

[briantrumpet]

It would be amusing if the Local Authorities refused to give them contracts.

My thinking exactly. Or just say "That's what we are paying. Take it or leave it." Obviously what the BBs (bastard billionaires) will be counting on is statutory duties of LAs, which reduces the scope for collective action by them... but it'll be interesting how this plays out.

 

[BoldonLad]

Reminiscent of Johnson's giving a few day's notice of covid lockdowns, so people could travel far and wide before they took effect.

Politicians of all hues appear to have lack of foresight in common

 

[BoldonLad]

It would be amusing if the Local Authorities refused to give them contracts.

Not for the former tenants 😊, but, it would be a form of justice, I suppose

 

[briantrumpet]

Politicians of all hues appear to have lack of foresight in common

There should be a Department of Unintended Consequences.

 

[briantrumpet]

Not for the former tenants 😊, but, it would be a form of justice, I suppose

Quite so. That'll be what the BBs will be counting on: using the forced homelessness of displaced tenants as leverage for higher profits.

 

[BoldonLad]

There should be a Department of Unintended Consequences.

A quango would better, somewhere to slot displaced political advisors and/or diplomats